Jiri,

It is well-known that I am not comfortable that we have a **deployable**
solution for preventing From URI spoofing. The reason it is not
deployable is because of B2BUAs, and to some extent because of
E.164-based URIs and the way they are handled in practice. Furthermore
there are issues with PSTN interworking, but we can't do much about
that. 

I have tried to articulate these issues by means of several I-Ds over
the last year or so, but capturing a "problem statement" acceptable to
all seems to be an elusive goal.

The reason seems to be that if I describe the problem in a certain way
(e.g., B2BUAs break the RFC 4474 signature), people say "but we can get
round this by doing A", so the problem statement has to be extended to
say why A doesn't work, and then people say "but you can get round it by
doing B", so the problem statement has to be further extended to say why
B will not work, and so on ad infinitum.

So I would welcome any other attempts to write the problem statement.

John

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Jiri Kuthan
> Sent: 20 November 2008 23:53
> To: [email protected]; Cullen Jennings
> Subject: [Sip] scope of derive
> 
> I'm just wondering, if folks could help to explain me this:
> apparently when I asked if people in the WG feel safe about
> IETF's mechanisms deployable to prevent spoofed From, nobody
> spoke up. At the same time, there were some who felt that
> we don't have a problem statement. I would be thankful if
> representatives of the latter group could share with me
> what is the missing piece here to state a problem.
> 
> Thank you very much indeed,
> 
> -jiri
> 
> p.s. the other aspects such as B2BUA traversal is IMO very
> orthogonal and is to be ellaborated on in a seprate document.
> 
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