On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Narayanan, Vidya <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
>> Behalf Of Bruce Lowekamp
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:59 PM
>> To: Das, Saumitra
>> Cc: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [P2PSIP] direct routing support
>>
>> There was no consensus to include direct response in the base draft.
>> Here's the text of the hum from the notes you point to:
>>
>> --------
>> First hum:  whether or not we include direct routing as an option in
>> the protocol (not worrying about what draft):  result was consensus
>> for including it in the protocol.
>> --------
>>
>
> Right, there was consensus to include it in the base protocol.

The text inside the parenthesis means there was no consensus where to
put it, to me at least.

>  To me, it would make sense to add it to the base draft, since it doesn't 
> seem to make sense to say in the base draft that it is not permitted and yet 
> have the notion of allowing it in the base protocol.
>
>> Direct response routing can be implemented as a forwarding option as
>> described in the base.
>>
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-p2psip-base-02#section-5.3.2.4
>>
>
> I'm assuming that you are talking about a yet-to-be-defined forwarding 
> option?  Or, did I miss something that is already specified that can be used 
> for this purpose?
>


Sorry to be unclear.  I meant to say that a direct response forwarding
option could be defined, not that the base draft defines one.

> I think defining a forwarding option for this does make sense and 
> corresponding to that option, we need to say what the forwarding behavior 
> should be.  The node sending the request also needs to provide its direct 
> reachability parameters in the message.
>
> While we are on the topic of forwarding options, could anyone describe the 
> purpose of the ones that are already defined in section 5.3.2.4?  I don’t 
> quite see an explanation and I am quite perplexed by them :)
>

I'm not sure what you're referring to.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-p2psip-base-02#section-5.3.2.4
doesn't define any forwarding options, it defines a structure that
forwarding options could use, but does not itself define a forwarding
option (i.e. no values for "type" are given meaning).

Bruce


> Thanks,
> Vidya
>
>> So while it's possible to do it in other ways, and to include those
>> techniques in the base draft, it's not required.
>>
>> (obviously it's a question of group consensus on whether it should be
>> added to the base draft)
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> 2009/3/24 Das, Saumitra <[email protected]>:
>> > At the previous IETF there was consensus to add direct response
>> routing as
>> > an option in the protocol.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > See: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/p2psip/minutes?item=minutes73.html
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > This is not yet reflected in the base draft.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > My previous post to this effect with some changes is  below
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "I would like to propose we add a flag bit in the forwarding/common
>> header
>> > that indicates that a direct routing response to a message be used by
>> the
>> > responding node. As a policy, implementations in certain scenarios
>> would
>> > enable the flag as necessary. If the flag is set, the requesting node
>> also
>> > needs to include its reachable address in the forwarding header.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We can indicate that the responding node need not keep state to
>> minimize
>> > complications. The sending node can simply resend a request (e.g
>> STORE) with
>> > the flag turned off if does not receive a response to the initial
>> STORE
>> > request with the flag turned on.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > This allows direct routing support in scenarios where the deployer or
>> the
>> > implementation knows it is dealing with reachable IP addresses and
>> can
>> > configure the implementation to behave accordingly."
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Saumitra
>> >
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