When I am calling you, if I can discover that transcoding is required to establish the call, then I can establish a relationship with a transcoding service that I trust. If I use 3pcc to bring the transcoder into the call, then my call to you is still from *me*, and I vouch for the media source even if it is actually the transcoder. So the transcoding scheme can be as secure (or insecure) as any other. That of course assumes that the means for setting up the secured media session is something that can be set up using 3pcc without my necessarily having to relay the media.)

        Thanks,
        Paul

Dan Wing wrote:
But if some service provider in the middle needs to drop the call to <some spiffy codec> which isn't supported by Alice's SP nor by Bob's SP -- what would that service provider do? Not deploy that spiffy new codec, even though it would save them thousands of dollars a day in satellite bandwidth fees?
Well, no. You just can't do end-to-end media security in this
case.

Ok.  Then in that case a way to downgrade to RTP -- which we need
in any event -- would be needed.
I don't understdand at all the claim that if transcoding is allowed, there would be any point in doing media security, or
even Secure identity for that matter. I'm just saying if transcoding
or media mucking-around is allowed, then just stick with P-AI.

So that the victim (user2) can distinguish between a service provider doing
transcoding for the legimate user1 versus the identity spoofing of user3
(diagram taken from
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-elwell-sip-e2e-identity-important-03):

                             user3/UA3
                                  |
                           +------+------+
                           | enterprise3 |
                           +------+------+
                                  |
              +----------+   +----+-----+   +----------+
          +---+ SBC  SBC +---+ SBC  SBC +---+ SBC  SBC +---+
          |   +----------+   +----------+   +----------+   |
          |      ITSP-A         ITSP-B         ITSP-C      |
          |                                                |
   +------+------+                                  +------+------+
   | enterprise1 |                                  | enterprise2 |
   +------+------+                                  +------+------+
          |                                                |
     user1/UA1                                        user2/UA2

-d

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