Cisco UCS: "Cisco Unbridled Collection Software", I mean Cisco UCS: "Cisco Unified Computing System".
er, uh, I guess it depends on whether you are selling it or buying it. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Robert B <[email protected]> wrote: > Josh, > > Totally where I was headed with your examples, I just didn't want to get > too deep into it. > > Recently I've been testing Cisco's UCS platform. They hype it all as "open > standards" because it's x86... But just wait until they start infesting your > environment with their custom vSwitches that have an all-new method of > tagging frames in a Cisco-friendly way! 802.1q is not enough for Cisco... > they need *more*! (FYI -- Cisco UCS is their "unified computing system", > it's an x86 server blade platform not a telephony solution.) > > I find it bitterly ironic that Cisco is seemingly not even hiding what they > are trying to do anymore. UCS. Unified computing? Oh sure, it's *unified > *alright... > Unified in the sense of the unity of your future interoperability options. > > -- Robert > > > > > On 4/22/2010 6:49 PM, Josh Patten wrote: > > +1 > > Look at SCCP, CDP, Pre-standard PoE, etc. etc. etc. > > This is why I avoid proprietary hardware: it never fails to cause problems > later because you're stuck with it and you either shell out for all new > stuff or keep running on the planned obsolescence/upgrade hamster wheel. > Case in point: Nortel's forced upgrade plan for their Meridian systems > (Pre-Avaya). An example of this I am personally affected by is in order to > purchase more licenses on an older Meridian software release (Option 11c > hardware purchased in 2005 but software downgraded to R3 to support > connection to legacy Meridian Mail on a separate Option 61c). When we > inquired about purchasing an additional 20-30 licenses for an expansion of a > department we were told, "no you must upgrade to a CS1000 platform with Call > Pilot. Give us $70,000 please to replace all the backend hardware and add > some line cards and 20 phones." I then came in and showed them how they > could get a brand new (sipX) system and replace all phones with open > standards based phones (polycom) that don't care about what backend you run > for the same price as the CS1000 upgrade PLUS have a number of features that > their current system could not provide. It was a no brainer, they chose the > latter. > > I think a lot of companies that originally bought into the Cisco VoIP craze > back in 2004-2006 are wishing they would have done something else because > now they're stuck and the prices keep going up. I know of a few > companies/organizations that have moved the backend from CallManager to > Asterisk and kept the phones simply because Asterisk has a decent SCCP > implementation that allows for full function from the phones. Cisco phones > SIP implementation, on the other hand, is very half-baked and while they may > have some portion of the IETF SIP standards correctly implemented it is a > very SMALL portion. > > I really do feel sorry for those that got suckered into the likes of > Shortel and various other proprietary platforms. They truly are stuck. > > Robert B wrote: > > Scott, > > That's putting it quite diplomatically. Here's how I'd say it... > > Cisco infects... They take emerging standards, dump millions into making > their own version of it, wait for everyone else to use an open standard, > do a half-assed implementation of said open standard in their own > product, then use that as a wedge to sell more of their proprietary > stack -- which of course works better on their own kit. > > I have no reason to think that their SIP implementation is anything > other than that. > > -- Robert > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sipx-users mailing list [email protected] > List Archive: http://list.sipfoundry.org/archive/sipx-users > Unsubscribe: http://list.sipfoundry.org/mailman/listinfo/sipx-users > sipXecs IP PBX -- http://www.sipfoundry.org/ > -- ====================== Tony Graziano, Manager Telephone: 434.984.8430 Fax: 434.984.8431 Email: [email protected] LAN/Telephony/Security and Control Systems Helpdesk: Telephone: 434.984.8426 Fax: 434.984.8427 Helpdesk Contract Customers: http://www.myitdepartment.net/gethelp/ Why do mathematicians always confuse Halloween and Christmas? Because 31 Oct = 25 Dec.
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