but there you go. its one of their downstream vendors. they are not even in
control of their own network. how embarassing to admit it that way. FRAME 67
& 68. We don't offer anything but 30504. The FR downstream vendor is
re-inviting media we aren't offering. IT IS A FR problem.

RUN AWAY!

When kids can't play and get along, the kid who owns the toys take theirs
and go home. I suggest you get a real vendor and take your toys with you.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Marcel Manzardo <[email protected]>wrote:

> Here is what I got back from Flowroute:****
>
> when the call sets up FROm sipx it asks for port 30504 for rtp. the guys at
> FR keep shoving 10204 back as a reinvite****
>
> This is fairly ambiguous as the RTP port range your system would like to
> communicate on is sent in your offer (INVITE), however, the RTP port the
> downstream vendor would like to receive audio on is sent in the answer
> (SIP/200). I'm not sure where Flowroute is forcing or "shoving" a specific
> RTP port for the sipX system to use.****
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated.****
>
> ** **
>
> Cheers,****
>
> Marcel****
>
> *From:* Marcel Manzardo [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2011 2:45 PM
>
> *To:* 'Discussion list for users of sipXecs software'
> *Cc:* '[email protected]'
> *Subject:* RE: [sipx-users] FW: Incoming external call does not complete
> successfully****
>
> ** **
>
> Hi Toni,****
>
> Thank you VERY much for your feedback. We really appreciate it!!!****
>
> We forwarded your information to Flowroute and we will change our config.*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> We’ll post back shortly.****
>
> ** **
>
> Cheers,****
>
> ** **
>
> Marcello****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Tony Graziano [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Monday, September 12, 2011 2:35 PM
> *To:* [email protected]; Discussion list for users of sipXecs software
> *Cc:* [email protected]
>
> *Subject:* Re: [sipx-users] FW: Incoming external call does not complete
> successfully****
>
> ** **
>
> and you neglected to say the RTP port is where the conflict is...****
>
> ** **
>
> when the call sets up FROm sipx it asks for port 30504 for rtp. the guys at
> FR keep shoving 10204 back as a reinvite. Usually that is acceptable or not
> acceptable. the only time you would reinvite after an offer is after a call
> is established. So revisit your FR config. Also, you are sending them a PING
> as a keepalive and they dont like that either.****
>
> ** **
>
> so what you have is a disagreement on an acceptable SDP of what rtp
> port/range to use. ****
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Tony Graziano <
> [email protected]> wrote:****
>
> explain your trunk config. why is port 5160 being used?****
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Marcel Manzardo <[email protected]>
> wrote:****
>
> Some more tracing was completed and we got the following feedback from
> Flowroute.****
>
> -          The issue is not related to NAT. ****
>
> -          According to Flowroute’s tracing,  sipX is rejecting a reINVITE
> with a SIP/491 for certain calls (the ones that fail) which is incorrect.*
> ***
>
> -          Attached is trace information and any feedback would be greatly
> appreciated. ****
>
>  ****
>
> Cheers,****
>
>  ****
>
> Marcello****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Marcel Manzardo
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2011 3:29 PM
> *To:* 'Discussion list for users of sipXecs software'****
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [sipx-users] FW: Incoming external call does not complete
> successfully****
>
>  ****
>
> Thank you for your suggestions.****
>
> We did sign up for VoIP.ms and will do some testing as soon as they enable
> our new account.****
>
> We are still investigating what exactly is going on with Flowroute and
> their engineering is analyzing the traces at this point.****
>
> I will report back as soon as possible.****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* Tony Graziano [mailto:[email protected]]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:15 AM
> *To:* [email protected]; Discussion list for users of sipXecs software
> *Subject:* Re: [sipx-users] FW: Incoming external call does not complete
> successfully****
>
>  ****
>
> it is how the calls are being sent in (or anchored).****
>
>  ****
>
> I never use an ITSP that handles NAT for me. I think if you took 5 minutes
> to get an account at voip.ms and configured it properly, you would find
> that it works (as long as you disable NAT in the account settings).****
>
>  ****
>
> I would ask flowroute if they have a way to disable it (in the vent their
> portal does not offer the option).****
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Marcel Manzardo <[email protected]>
> wrote:****
>
> For some reason our replies seem to get stuck somewhere. Here is another
> try.
>
> We did numerous test and the issue boils down to NAT.
>  - Flowroute (our SIP Service Provider) provides NAT and it cannot be
> turned
> off.
>  - Incoming calls work until they are transferred for a second time e.g.
> Attendant -> Hunt Group -> Other Attendant -> Mailbox
>  - sipX uses a re-invite for the second transfer which is not supported by
> Flowroute.
>  -  if we move the sipX outside the internal network everything works as
> intended.
>  - we also tried a second sipX outside the network but were not able to
> route incoming calls to the internal sipX
>  - we tried several routers and it is not a firewall issue.
>  - we also tried using two NICs, one with public IP and one with internal
> IP. But there registration issues and it is not officially supported.
>  -  Flowroute suggested to set the contact header from the internal IP to
> the public IP. Not sure how to do that???
>
> There are two reasons why we would like to keep the sipX internal:
>  - auto provisioning of the phones works only if sipX is internal
>  - we are much more vulnerable to attacks if the sipX is external
>
> Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get around this NAT issue.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Marcello
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcel Manzardo [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 6:28 AM
> To: 'Discussion list for users of sipXecs software'
> Subject: RE: [sipx-users] Incoming external call does not complete
> successfully
>
> Sorry for the delay. Our reply got held by the moderator because the
> attachment was too big...
>
> Here is the rest of the info including the siptrace:
>  - Our firewall type is NATed with outbound ports set to static so no port
> manipulation.
>  - Additional info about the failed call: The call is a one way/no audio
> call. Incoming external caller still has an active call until caller hangs
> up.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated
>
> Thanks
> Marcello
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcel
> Manzardo
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 3:24 PM
> To: 'Discussion list for users of sipXecs software'
> Subject: Re: [sipx-users] Incoming external call does not complete
> successfully
>
> Thank you very much for all the feedback.
> We will provide a SIP trace as soon as possible.
>
> Here is some additional info:
>  - The only difference between a failed call flow and a successful call
> flow
> is that in the case of the successful call, the caller is an internal user
> calling the autoattendant. In the failed call an incoming "external" call
> is
> directed to the same autoattendant via the DID and the call fails after the
> second leg.
>  - We are using SIP trunks from Flowroute.
>  - We are connected via a pfSense firewall with QoS enabled; we have a
> static IP (I will be able to provide more info shortly)
>
>  Thanks
>
> Marcello
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Graziano [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 1:29 PM
> To: Discussion list for users of sipXecs software
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [sipx-users] Incoming external call does not complete
> successfully
>
> that pcap is useless. it shows an ip "248" and another "222", there are
> only
> two packets and there is a registration attempt. You can't tell if it is
> successful, and none of the packets are from sipx itself.
>
> What we all would like to see if a siptrace as George pointed out.
>
> In the interim, please make sure you describe your call flow according to
> the failed call. I don't think an internal "successful" call would be much
> help here.
>
> Also, please describe your gateway (type and schema). I.e. Grandstream
> HT386 FXO, Audicocodes, Patton, etc. or siptrunk through provider "abc"
> with
> firewall configured as "type"...
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 4:21 PM, George Niculae <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Marcel Manzardo
> > <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> We are running SIPx ver 4.4. Internal calls follow call flow
> >> successfully but external call does not. We might be missing a
> >> parameter? Here are the call flows:
> >>
> >> Internal Call Scenario:
> >>
> >> 1. USER Extension 401(BEN) calls General Auto Attendant(x380) 2.
> >> General Auto Attendant picks up call and USER chooses option 2(Sales
> >> Hunt Group x 352) 3. Sales Hunt Group rings extensions 400,401,404 4.
> >> No extensions answers and Sales Hunt Group and falls back to
> >> extension 382(Sales Auto Attendant) 5. Sales Auto Attendant answers
> >> call and user chooses option 4(General Mailbox x393) 6. Call is
> >> successful USER is able to leave voicemail
> >>
> >> External Call Scenario:
> >> 1. External caller calls General Auto Attendant(DID 18888850205
> >> ext380) 2. General Auto Attendant picks up call and USER chooses
> >> option 2(Sales Hunt Group x 352) 3. Sales Hunt Group rings internal
> >> extensions 400,401,404 4. No internal extensions answers and Sales
> >> Hunt Group and falls back to extension 382(Sales Auto Attendant) 5.
> >> Sales Auto Attendant answers call and external caller chooses option
> >> 4(General Mailboxx393) 6. Call is Unsuccessful and External caller is
> >> still connected but dead air.
> >>
> >> tcpdumps are attached.
> >
> > Can you provide also a snapshot or a call flow to be analyzed with
> > sipviewer
> (
> http://wiki.sipfoundry.org/display/sipXecs/Display+SIP+message+flow+using+S
> ipviewer)?
> > George
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