On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Stiles Watson <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 04/18/2012 06:15 PM, Tony Graziano wrote:
You shouldn't invite violence. I have been known to clobber
people with iPads.
Why am I not surprised by this?
Um that was a cartoon reference dude, you take things wayyy to
seriously. Obviously you don't get out too much.
I think the wiki could be clearer, but really I think you are the
only one to make the leap from Bria is bria is bria is bria. It
ain't, but sipfoundry doesn't manuafcture it either. Bria has
undergone numerous name changes in the last 3 or four years. I
look for the names to change "yet again", because why leave
something the same?
I am not the only one who has been confused on this point. I have
all the emails from this list for the past year and a half or
more. There have been several people who have been confused about
this. I know sipfoundry does not manufacturer Bria, but you are
saying that it is supported by your software and therefore it is
to your advantage to help your users/customers use your product
with whatever different versions exist of the third party software
you say you are interoperable with.
Thanks for making my point about not taking a users view of things.
Wrong, the wiki was changed by multiple editors to leave no chance for
stiles.user error.. It clearly stated Bria 3.x, but the ASSUMPTION you
had was all BRIA is BRIA. Whatever. It got changed to quell your
issue. You didn't like the clarity of the wiki, so now it's idiot
proffed (maybe) and you still want to complain about it.
You guys do realize that the people that use your product are your
customers, right? I know no money changes hands, but you are
creating this for people to use, correct? You want companies big
AND small to embrace your product, correct? There are a number of
potential users/customers who have left your product because they
could not get the help they thought they needed.
Its a very friendly environment. The wiki is there for a reason. There
are many people who try to do things that LACK THE SKILLSET and/or
FAIL TO READ OR UNDERSTAND what the best approach is to
installing/configuring a system and then expect wayyy to much in
having community members send them the wiki pages and explain the
basic concepts. There are skills required as a prerequisite.
Give people more information than they need? That's been done,
numerous times. When they can't follow directions the first few
times, you have to beat them over the head with an iPad and chant
"DNS DNS DNS".
I love how you never let go of that bone! You are right, DNS is
very important and I have some things which still need to be
configured. The problem is that I do not think the DNS wiki page
is perfectly clear and I have been give contradictory info on this
forum - again, its free support offered by the sipX community
which includes old hats, newbies, developers and users so that
happens. I was told that sipX sets up everything correctly and
that I do not need external DNS SRV records, but that was not
correct. It makes perfect sense now that I would need them.
I think it was correct in the context or your related question(s) at
that time, but clearly you want to pick yet another bone. Bringing
this up out of context is just sour grapes and not really fair.
Understand then fix your DNS and stop ranting to the masses who
already get that.
Ahh, just "Understand". It is easy to wave that wand when it is
something you are very familiar with. You might be one of those
very gifted people who instantly understands everything the first
time they see it. I'm happy for you - really. However, on the
whole, God has gifted different people with different abilities.
The thing which is easy for one, may very very difficult for another.
DNS, DNS, DNS! What beautiful words! On to DNS!
Dude, the whole thing is: DNS, Networking, firewalls, all play a part
in any VOIP deployment. The wiki article on DNS is written for
administrators. Why? Because DNS is VERY important to any environment
and easy to break. It's not in the best interest of any project
focusing on SIP to teach DNS 101 to admins who don't understand how
DNS works. There is no real easy way to explain DNS. It's not fair to
tech network 101 courses. You should bring those skills to the table
as a prerequisite.
You really need to stop making a spectacle of yourself. You are not
getting anywhere except maybe closer to a coronary.
Now get on to whatever it is you were doing. Good luck.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Stiles Watson
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I'm not sure what there is to 'get'. I thought the point of
the wiki was to explain how to set things up. I was directed
to the Bria page on the wiki when asked about Bria and iphone
(the page even mentions iphone...). However, the info there
has nothing to do with Bria on iphone. I was offering to
provide clarification for others so they are not confused
when they look at the wiki page and then look at the iphone
settings and see little or no overlap.
You guys on the sipX team have done a great job and have
produced and continue to produce a great open source product,
but more times than not you guys take a programmers view of
things instead of a users view. This is what make the
difference between products that go on to be great and widely
embraced and products which are great functionally, but are
never embraced by the masses (or products which people are
forced to use, but hate using). Why do you think Apple has
boat loads of cash on hand in a down economy even though they
do not own the lion share of either the desktop or server
market? It is because they focus on the user and make it easy
for them to get done what they need to get done. The iphone
revolutionized the smart phone market. Why? They did not have
any new wiz-bang feratures (they actually had less), but they
focused on the user and made it easier to use. Everyone else
has been playing catch up (yes, you can argue that certain
Andriod devices are better, but they followed iphone).
Explain everything, teach people, give people more info then
they need....
I've seen so many technically good products go down the
toilet because the programmers could never see things from a
users perspective. They turned their noses up at them
instead. And in return? The users went somewhere else and the
project died.
Just my ten cents. The rant is over and everyone can beat me
up now.
Stiles
On 04/18/2012 04:31 PM, Tony Graziano wrote:
I don't get you. Counterpath has a product for the desktop
that can be centrally provisioned. Their mobile devices
can't (yet).
Maybe we can create a stiles.wiki. JK.
I think the wiki might benefit from a mobile apps section,
but it requires proper layout for and could use a simple
table layout for how to configure for most products and OS's.
The key here is testing functionalities and features, etc.
On Apr 18, 2012 4:07 PM, "Stiles Watson"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
So can the wiki be updated to reflect the differences in
Bria for iphone/ipod touch?
* Use SIP password not PIN
* No Provisioning server
* Under "Account advanced", you need to enter Out.
Proxy and Auth Name
I do not know what the approval process is, but if I can
get a login, I'd be happy to do it. Could also enter
settings for Media5-fone.
Stiles
On 04/18/2012 03:50 PM, Stiles Watson wrote:
Not sure what the deal was, but I sent the profile
AGIAN, set the password to the SIP password, not PIN
and it registered.
Stiles
On 04/18/2012 03:22 PM, Stiles Watson wrote:
I am unable to register via Bria for ipod touch. I'm
connected via wifi on the office network. I get
Unauthorized (401).
Here are my settings:
Account Name: 295
Enabled: ON
Username: 295
Password: (I've tried both PIN and SIP)
Domain: datatek-net.com <http://datatek-net.com>
Under "Account Advanced"
Out. Proxy: sipx.datatek-net.com
<http://sipx.datatek-net.com>
Auth Name: 295
There are no other settings to enter and there is no
place to enter a Provisioning Server as mentioned on
the wiki page:
http://wiki.sipfoundry.org/display/sipXecs/Counterpath+Bria+Softphone
As I mentioned in an earlier email. I was able to get
Media5Fone working on an iphone with the same settings
above.
Any thoughts?
Stiles
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