sendmail  10779       root    4u  IPv4 6764026      0t0  TCP 
localhost.localdomain:smtp (LISTEN)

~Noah

On Nov 16, 2012, at 6:18 PM, Tony Graziano 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
 wrote:

can you provide the output of: lsof -i | grep LISTEN

and post what SMTP is listening to?



On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Noah Mehl 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
This is my problem:

You are arguing with me when you don't understand how SSH port forwarding works.

In the exploit I've illustrated, the port is tunneled via SSH. Then on the 
remote machine (the sipxecs server) the traffic originates as LOCALHOST. That's 
why it's a OOTB security flaw.

I have not made changes to the smtp config.

~Noah

On Nov 16, 2012, at 6:02 PM, "Tony Graziano" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

There is that too. I keep bringing it up but he skips over it.

In a default sipx installation, the output shows:

sendmail TCP localhost.localdomain:smtp (LISTEN)

and there are no other entries related to SMTP. So again, something is 
different here than in all the others (remember that kids game?). Why is your 
installation different? Why is SMTP open to begin with? Why is SMTP open on 
your system and noone else's?

I still don't agree with your assessment. It is the way your firewall and/or 
sendmail is configured to begin with that is not consistent with the way the 
system is used. Security is the admin's and certainly port SSH forward can be 
turned off and the user can be denied. I don't think it very helpful to make 
changes to secure a system if someone keeps opening holes or changing smtp 
configs and then opening another case that the system is not secure enough... 
I'm just saying. You still have neglected to explain why SMTP is open from 
waaaayyyy back in this thread.

Realize the developers list are some of the same people here (I won't dissuade 
you from posting to it to that list, or opening a JIRA) but realize it can be 
discussed and decided there is no problem and a change is not warranted, only 
an implementation decision gone awry.  On the other hand, if enough people 
agree those are two things that can be done by default "in the event someone 
decides to open SMTP". I'm not a fortune teller.

I think it took a lot of your time to find it and to bring it up, and I think 
its worthy of consideration though.

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Noah Mehl 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hey!  FINALLY, I got some information that's actually usefully to me!!! Where 
is the JIRA link where I can post a bug?  Is there a different mailing list for 
Sipxecs dev?

No, my argument is that two users are created by the SipXecs install: PlcmSIp 
and lvp2890.  These user have passwords set in the /etc/shadow from the install 
script.

I do not believe that this is a Redhat/Centos problem, because they DO NOT ship 
system users with passwords in /etc/shadow. Or any user with a password in 
/etc/shadow except for the password one sets for root during install, and the 
password for the first user during install.

Since SipXecs install creates these users, and thereby creates the security 
issue, part of the user creation should deny those users access to ssh in the 
sshd_config.  That's the only part of this scenario that isn't secure.  I will 
be happy to submit a bug, etc...

As it happens, I'm not the first person to be hacked because of this: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg04471.html  And 
it's highly likely that many people have been bitten by this, and no one knew 
what the cause was.

This serves as a warning to ALL SipXecs 4.4.x users:

1. If you have SipXecs 4.4.x
2. You still have the PlcmSIp and lvp2890 users, with unchanged password (which 
you would by default, not knowing they had been added to your server)
3. Anyone has SSH port access to the server
4. Then you are wide open

I don't care how one solves the issue, we have 3 solutions so far:

1. Disable or heavily restrict all ssh access to the machine
2. DenyUsers PlcmSIp lvp2890 in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
3. AllowTcpForwarding no in /etc/ssh/sshd_config

I prefer method 2 because I don't want to remove a useful tool in my arsenal 
(ssh port forwarding), and I don't want to change the default passwords 
(because of provision stock phones).  But I HIGHLY suggest everyone takes a 
quick look at their settings, because I bet a lot of people are susceptible to 
this.  Thanks.

~Noah

On Nov 16, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Tony Graziano 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
 wrote:

You do realize the other side of this argument is that SSH forwarding is 
enabled by default on Redhat/Centos and that since you have SSH available to 
the public at large it also makes this an effective use of your system.

I think the place for you to ask for a change is submitting a JIRA and posting 
a link on the users and dev groups so people can comment and/or vote for this 
change...

add in /etc/ssh/sshd_config by default:

AllowTcpForwarding no
DenyUsers PlcmSpIp




On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Noah Mehl 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Shall I make a screencast to explain?

~Noah

On Nov 16, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Noah Mehl 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Gerald.

That's the security hole.  I AM ABLE TO CONNECT TO THE LOCAL SMTP SERVICE ON 
THE SIPXECS SERVER via SSH remotely using the default user/pass of PlcmSIp, 
utilizing ssh port forwarding.

~Noah

On Nov 16, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Gerald Drouillard 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

On 11/16/2012 1:57 PM, Noah Mehl wrote:
Does nobody on the list know what SSH port forwarding is?  I am running the 
first two commands from a remote machine (connecting to the sipxecs machine) in 
separate terminals to forward my local 25 port to the sipxecs box, and the 25 
port on the sipxecs box locally.  The third command is run locally on the 
remote machine.  This exploit gives the remote machine access to port 25 on the 
SipXecs box even if all other ports are blocked.  This could be used for any 
port that is blocked by firewall, ids, etc, if the remote machine has ssh 
access to the sipxecs box.

~Noah
Do you understand that if your sipx smtp server is only running on localhost 
that you will not be able to connect to it via telnet/ssh/whatever?



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