Meredith~ "Religion" is far to variable a word to hang your hat on and, as I am sure you are aware, "Church" has faced an equal non-specificity in its well worn common applications! Thomas Jefferson must again be called front and center because much of the turmoil faced in this philosophical and political dilemma traces to his shoulders! Indeed this, plus the fact his own belief in the Trinity, has been stretched totally out of shape by misreading and misapplications, None the least of these is his remark to a concerned Baptist congregation who came ready-fearing any transition back to the Anglican Church days in Merrie Olde England! Careful investigation has long since dispelled any notion that Jefferson, a compassionate and steadfast Christian, had any intention of such kind of backpedaling in either political or personal vein! Jefferson has to be our centerpiece for another salient reason, such being that the "Unanimous Declaration..." as well as the "Bill of Rights" traces to his fertile mind and ready hand! In the "Unanimous Declaration..." we should be quick to remember his integral and foundational regard for the Hand of God in American political destiny. Additionally, although most Americans either are too lame or too recalcitrant to remember, he rested the entire Document on the Shoulders of Christ! As I mentioned, there has been such traffic upon the word "religion", that today’s definitions go anywhere from Christ specific to some vague notions of applying the term to any actual mindset or practice. Accordingly, for me it would take an awareness I lack at the moment to appraise the actual intent of the application of the word "religion" in the Bill of Rights. This much I do know and quite for certain: The First Article in Amendment to the Original Constitution says a great deal more than anyone cares be concerned with anymore! To begin with it is not the FIRST amendment by casting lots or other accident! Next there appears immediately a phrase ignored by the masses and despised by any liawyer or other politician: “Congress shall make NO law…”! As was ably pointed out in the forwarded, the Constitution was never intended to be a matter of innuendo, double entendre or other such literary hide away and/or an open ended document. Accordingly, what is meant here by the word “NO” is exactly that and without diminution of the common term no! Additionally, the intent is spelled out immediately after the “no-no”, that “AN” establishment certainly applies to one such ALREADY EXISTENT! It matters not of any danger that Congress might preclusively come up with institutional limitations. Although, and again, most Americans have never learned what “preemptive” means, have forgotten its meaning or in love with such barbarian thinking, there is another very plain and very simple set of facts to be drawn from the Original Constitution (Certainly not the one of AD 1870-71 which is the master corporate charter!) and that set is that the Constitution was designed to intentionally limit ALL the powers of Central government. It is therefore a document of specificity as follows: If something is specifically mentioned as within its purview it may be considered; if however, there appears no allocation for any other matter to be considered, it is beyond reach of Central Government! To add to this observation, there was never intended that any reach to the people be allowed by Federal Government which wasn’t clearly written as intended to be given! That means the laws to be made up through powers of the Constitution were absolutely, solely, and forevermore intended to be arrived at and/or derived from the powers given Congress alone to enact ONLY those laws necessary to carry out duties assigned clearly in the Constitution, This means NO LAWS about establishments of religion and CERTAINLY NO POWER FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO SO ESTABLISH! This means that even if they unlawfully did create such laws the legislation would also have to forbid THE establishment of any establishment of religion as any which otherwise were established extra government would have to be dealt with as AN establishment. Please pay intense attention to the difference between AN establishment of and THE establishment of! It really is very simple but absolutely confining as it the idea of WHO may make LAWS and for what purpose! Here is a glaring example of why so many have asserted that IF THE PEOPLE had exerted themselves to enforce the original intent within the Constitution as cinched tightly by the “Bill of Rights”, THERE WOULD NEITHER BE BIG FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NOR LAWS MADE UP PRESTO BY THE LIKES OF COURTS AND THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND THERE WOULD BE NO SUCH THING AS A DE Facto corporation pushing it aside and TAKING OVER AMERICA. Welcome AMERICA to just one more dose of unpleasant reality! I realize ANY reality is unpleasant in the rabbit hole world of the Great Pretenders! I must as well state that although the forwarded writer seems to have his heart in the right place, his actual knowledge of history is equally JUST THE OPPOSITE! America was put in today’s trash heap in three – maybe four – succinct steps! First came the clandestine (Clandestine because the people lost interest!) subversion of underlying principles, followed by intended mayhem and chaos which once that fire was lit really well on March 27th, AD1861, the fire has been constantly fed through the third stage which was set in AD1913, put to the test on March 3rd of AD1933 and carried to its final stage which the forwarded writer is without the knowledge that he now lives! I have written rather extensively about these events although it appears the doubters have never taken the trouble to back-check me and instead found the truth plainly just TOO UNCOMFORTABLE TO BELIEVE, LET ALONE ACT ON! ~Hal~ --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Meredith <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Meredith <[email protected]> Subject: [jophome] Fw: WHAT SEPARATION OF CHURCH-STATE To: "Jophome" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 5:26 AM --- On Tue, 8/11/09, REAL NEWS <thenews...@ij. net> wrote: From: REAL NEWS <thenews...@ij. net> Subject: WHAT SEPARATION OF CHURCH-STATE To: "meredith2729@ yahoo.com" <meredith2729@ yahoo.com> Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 9:11 PM (Common sense, politically incorrect newsletter to 12,621 subscribers) "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF." Where does the U.S. Constitution say anything about "separation of church and state?" No where! I challenge you to find anywhere in the Constitution or Bill of Rights or other amendments any mention of "separation of church and state". About 85 percent of Americans are Christians. But a very well organized and extremely well financed group of Social Progressives have infiltrated our government and court system. They want to undermine religion by twisting words to indicate that the Consitution requires a separation between church and state where no such requirement exists. They have introduced "political correctness" , which has made all previous good behavior bad and all previously bad behavior good. Marxists claim that religion is the opiate blinding the people to the benefits of Communism, so religion must be conquered so that the people will depend on the government. Americans should read for themselves what the Constitution actually says and ignore the anti-Christian misinformation. . Here is what the First Amendment to the United States Constitution actually says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." " Both the establishment clause and the free exercise clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or on government interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion. The writers of the Constitution remembered that the Pilgrims fled England in 1620 because their king had cruelly imposed the Church of England on all English subjects. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights were written in very plain and simple wording that anyone with common sense can easily understand. Then along came the flannel-mouthed re-interpreters who want to stretch the imagination to believe that the words meant different than the obvious meaning -- such as what the true meaning of the word "is" is. Separation advocates examined writings by some of the creators of the Constitution to falsely claim that misappropriated phrases meant that they were not religious or that they believed in separation of church and state. The "separation of church and state" philosophy is based on lies originated by anti-church Marxists. It is my opinion that the "Ten Commandments" that God gave to Moses about 3,500 years ago and "The United States Constitution with The Bill of Rights" created by our nation's founders about 220 years ago are very sacred documents. There have been no amendments to the "Ten Commandments" because God Himself authored them with His perfect foresight. Christians and Jews both try to live up to these rules of behavior. Twenty-eight amendments so far have further defined the original intent for the Constitution to guarantee us life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. A nation or society without any rules of government is anarchy, but the original intent of our Constitution was to allow as much freedom as possible. We must preserve our wonderful Constitution and Bill of Rights which enabled the original 13 colonies to become the greatest nation this world has ever known. This document is so successful because it was a mutual compromise that considered the wants and needs of all the negotiators for each colony that they all could satisfactorily live with. Now there are partisans who want to undo some of these compromises to favor their own selfish interpretations. Our corrupt Congress, President and Supreme Court Justices are ignoring our Constitution and subjugating us with Marxism. Sometime during the last half-century, someone stole our culture. Just 50 years ago, in the 1950s, America was a great place. It was safe. It was decent. Children got good educations in the public schools. Even blue-collar fathers brought home middle-class incomes so moms could stay home with the kids. Television shows reflected sound, traditional values. Where did it all go? How did that America become the sleazy, decadent place we live in today -- so different that those who grew up prior to the '60s feel like it's a foreign country? Did it just "happen"? It didn't just "happen". In fact, a deliberate agenda was followed to steal our culture and leave a new and very different one in its place. What happened is that America's traditional culture, which had grown up over generations from our Western, Judeo-Christian roots, was swept aside by an ideology. We know that ideology best as "political correctness" or "multi-culturalism" . It really is cultural Marxism. Marxist thinkers said that Western culture and the Christian religion had so blinded the working class to its true, Marxist class interests that a Communist revolution was impossible in the West until both could be destroyed. That objective, has never changed. A strategy has been laid out for destroying Christianity and Western culture, one that has proven all too successful. Instead of calling for a Communist revolution up front (as in Russia), Marxists in the West should take political power last, after a "long march through the institutions" -- the schools, the media, even the churches, every institution that could influence the culture. That "long march through the institutions" is what America has experienced, especially since the 1960s. --REAL NEWS editor thenews...@ij. net ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -- For free Politically Incorrect news ignored by the American news media, send your friends' email addresses for REAL NEWS from thenews...@ij. net. To cancel your free REAL NEWS, click "reply" and type "stop messages". __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity Visit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. 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