Paramount definition of a deist is one who believes in a Supreme being but does not believe in ability to interact with such in this life. David Barton -- a fantastic researcher and historian of Early Americana -- has stated he feels both Jefferson and Franklin where the only two true"deists" on the AD1776 congress. I vehemently disagree based on my own research and studies. I feel Jefferson -- while oft quite "unconventional" -- had by far the best grasp on Christian Doctrine, per se! Franklin had both physical tracings of personal dedication as well as the integrity of voluminous writings. The word picture I resopnded to another here:
Bret~ Not that I am any "answer-man", but I can explain some of your doubts as they are both common and reasonable to hold, as that other "wizard said, "Times being as they were". (I adjust that to "as they are"!) The words in our Scriptures have traveled a lot in their time, over hostile territory and fair, and we must be very careful how we accept the meanings. The first thing I noticed as a youth was the great difficulties which arose over people not having in their heads the same meanings for the same words. That's a very poor situation in a world chock full of people intent on twisting meanings completely, even to entire phrases and even speeches! English is indeed a composite language as are most, but 600 years ago or so as it began, it was a composite of composites. The troublesome word you bring up -- as well as the topic of "man's word" -- actually is not nearly as stringent in meaning as you and unhappily and popularly, have come to believe. The term "agree" passed on to from Christ actually means more of some reconciliation than an acquiescence. It would be a foregone give-away were it to mean a mandate to meet the other fellow’s demands. The idea there, is that if you find you are dealing with a “ruthless jew type” found in Shakespeare’s “Merchant of Venice”, it must first be realized you shouldn’t have in the first place! That requires a substantial overview of the situation at which your fault began at the beginning and now because of that you might have to make undesirable compromises about conditions which came along naturally. “Agree” here is not an absolute, but one of those choices of evils and you are part to blame for the evils now to be faced to meet in agreement! Doesn’t mean “give in” but means try to think of the smallest conciliations you can get away with and still not be heavily wrecked! There is a lot of this sort of encouragement to reason, in Scripture and many lessons are on precluding having to face such crises! There IS a tie in here to the situation we find ourselves in, with pirates believing THEY SHOULD HAVE COME TO OVERLOARD AND RULE US AS SUBJECTS/SLAVES! Remember Christ told us to be a slave to no Man! Remember Bret, the problems we face today primarily arose out of two integrally tied institutions which became infiltrated until infested by Men who perverted the meanings of well established words and phrases. The tool of infiltration was the most classic – deception. Today, a Man doesn’t have to be a mastermind to fool the people but once it was quite different so our dilemma didn’t come upon us in short order! One of the keys of several of those prominent, was the freemasonry which has wormed its way into both the Law of Christian Doctrine and its effects upon the American Common Law, which as well, is based upon the Law of God! Destruction of the Church and America’s public institutions has become by our time, pretty much of a done deal as they were, and have been, converted by slow acting poison. We have been blinded from that realization through the greed of American individuals; blinded by the light of relief from individual responsibility. Herd instinct ruins understanding through well recognized word usage, because Men in herds must follow their leader and the leader can thus easily lead astray by blind faith and obedience. Scripture relies on self-discipline and precedent in/of learning and private interaction. Change the meanings of words and/or replace them with new and different and you change both mindset and cognition! Contemplate how you and I here and now communicate our ideas. You must cultivate word power, not abandon it or abuse it! Word usage is among the first things we must reach agreement on if we are to agree on anything else. The wise shall always strive to agree as disagreement most often kills productivity ~Hal~ --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Christopher Lund <[email protected]> wrote: From: Christopher Lund <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MYRLANDsMETHODs] It has begun...Refuse new coins! To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 2:40 PM Is your god the same one as my God? That's what sense your statement makes. Everyone has different ideas in their heads about one thing or another and no one can agree anymore on facts because those facts are interpreted differently from what the founding fathers meant. What they meant was written into the Federalist papers and nobody wants to read up on that anymore, they just decide on their own what passages from the Constitution mean and there is where we all get into trouble. We should be more interested in what that parchment says than worrying about what is or is not or where upon it is any inscription. The inscription is there but the COIN IS A FRAUD. Demand that CONgress mint money in ONLY gold and silver and not just COLORED coins. No direct un-apportioned tax confirmed by the US Supreme Court rulings. Nous Resterons La. Chris Lund --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Catherine Wabeke <[email protected]> wrote: From: Catherine Wabeke <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MYRLANDsMETHODs] It has begun...Refuse new coins! To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 11:28 AM Check out the intent of the founding fathers, the majority of whom were Deists and FreeMasons, as to WHICH GOD they were refering to and you might not want THEIR 'In God We Trust' on anything you have. Their God is not our Creator God. On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:02 PM, chancellor <thechancellor@ comcast.net> wrote: I saw the earlier message about this and did not bother to once again comment but I have some of these coins as the MASS MBTA only gives them out as change from their ticket vending machines and as you say In God We Trust is on the edge of the coin but pointing that out to Patriot types and showing it to them is a exercise in futility because they saw in some email it was not there on some email or internet site so reality does not compute. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Lund To: MYRLANDsMETHODs@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [MYRLANDsMETHODs] It has begun...Refuse new coins! Where the hell do these idiots come from? I hate the very idea that the government is trying to play us for fools by minting gold COLORED coins and expecting that we will accept them as the legal money that the Constitution demands but when someone sends BULLSHIT like this e-mail without even checking things out it makes me very angry and confirms my conviction that there aren't many people out there who deserve to be saved! "IN GOD WE TRUST" and "E PLURIBUS UNUM" and the year of issue is stamped on the edge of these coins where anyone can see if one makes the effort. No direct un-apportioned tax confirmed by the US Supreme Court rulings. Nous Resterons La. Chris Lund --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Bob Fasanella <bofa...@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Bob Fasanella <bofa...@yahoo. com> Subject: [MYRLANDsMETHODs] It has begun...Refuse new coins! To: Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 2:05 PM Subject: It has begun...Refuse new coins! True Americans will refuse these It has begun...Refuse new coins! REFUSE NEW COINS This simple action will make a strong statement. Please help do this.. Refuse to accept these when they are handed to you. I received one from the Post Office as change and I asked for a dollar bill instead. The lady just smiled and said 'way to go' , so she had read this e -mail. Please help out..our world is in enough trouble without this too!!!!! U.S.Government to Release New Dollar Coins You guessed it 'IN GOD WE TRUST' IS GONE!!! If ever there was a reason to boycott something, THIS IS IT!!!! DO NOT ACCEPT THE NEW DOLLAR COINS AS CHANGE Together we can force them out of circulation. . Please send to all on your mailing list!!! -- Catherine Wabeke
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