The most probable damning words here are irreparably, "any means"! The so-called Constitution FOR is an instrument of both limited and limiting powers and the term "any powers" defies its very defining! To declare both "all means" in the same breath with -- "appropriate"," adapted", and "not prohibited" approaches a grammatical oxymoron. This is what can happen in judicial hi jinks when the motive for it slips away from "Original Intent" which was always written down. Better to fuss over language written than to attempt rewriting to suit the personalities! The term "Sovereignty" was well known to those in attendance at the signing of the Unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America and it is a fact they wrote it down! Congress has not only the right but the duty to themselves make definitive those key words they use in the promulgation of legislation; they must merely legislate acts within the scope of their certain authority with/by whatever words. ~Hal~
--- On Wed, 4/14/10, Don S. <[email protected]> wrote: From: Don S. <[email protected]> Subject: [MYRLANDsMETHODs] METHODs] People are sovereign.......... To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 3:17 PM Those things do not change sovereignty as I see it, but secures or facilitates sovereignty. Only constitutional things can be done by Congress.... .. .........beneficial for the people...... ......... .. M'CULLOCH v. STATE, 17 U.S. 316 (1819) At page 419......... ........ "That any means adapted to the end, any means which tended directly to the execution of the constitutional powers of the government, were in themselves constitutional." ............ ........and. ......... ......... . "We admit, as all must admit, that the powers of the government are limited, and that its limits are not to be transcended. But we think the sound construction of the constitution must allow to the national legislature that discretion, with respect to the means by which the powers it confers are to be carried into execution, which will enable that body to perform the high duties assigned to it, in the manner most beneficial to the people. At page 421......... ..... Let the end be legitimate, let it be within the scope of the constitution, and all means which are appropriate, which are plainly adapted to that end, which are not prohibited, but consist with the letter and spirit of the constitution, are constitutional." At 02:48 PM 4/14/2010 -0400, you wrote: Are they the same to day [did it change in 1861 - 1871] Do you have a duty, liability, did you except any benefits? Do you have a birth certificate? Does your pass port say US citizen? How does the operation of laws work against you? From: MYRLANDsMETHODs@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:MYRLANDsMETH o...@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Don S. Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:01 PM To: MYRLANDsMETHODs@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [MYRLANDsMETHODs] People are sovereign... ....... CHISHOLM v. STATE OF GA., 2 U.S. 419 (1793) It is remarkable [2 U.S. 419, 471] that in establishing it, the people exercised their own rights, and their own proper sovereignty, and conscious of the plenitude of it, they declared with becoming dignity, 'We the people of the United States, do ordain and establish this Constitution. ' Here we see the people acting as sovereigns of the whole country; and in the language of sovereignty, establishing a Constitution by which it was their will, that the State Governments should be bound, and to which the State Constitutions should be made to conform. Every State Constitution is a compact made by and between the citizens of a State to govern themselves in a certain manner; and the Constitution of the United States is likewise a compact made by the people of the United States to govern themselves as to general objects, in a certain manner. By this great compact however, many prerogatives were transferred to the national Government, such as those of making war and peace, contracting alliances, coining money, etc. etc. ============ ========= ========= = No such ideas obtain here; at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people; and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects (unless the African [2 U.S. 419, 472] slaves among us may be so called) and have none to govern but themselves; the citizens of America are equal as fellow citizens, and as joint tenants in the sovereignty. >From the differences existing between feudal sovereignties and Governments >founded on compacts, it necessarily follows that their respective prerogatives >must differ. Sovereignty is the right to govern; a nation or State-sovereign >is the person or persons in whom that resides. No such ideas obtain here; at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people; and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects (unless the African [2 U.S. 419, 472] slaves among us may be so called) and have none to govern but themselves; the citizens of America are equal as fellow citizens, and as joint tenants in the sovereignty. >From the differences existing between feudal sovereignties and Governments >founded on compacts, it necessarily follows that their respective prerogatives >must differ. Sovereignty is the right to govern; a nation or State-sovereign >is the person or persons in whom that resides. At page 472 by CJ John Jay&&&&&&. In Europe the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the Government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the people, and at most stand in the same relation to their sovereign, in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns. ============ ==== CJ John Jay said that in the USA, the PEOPLE are sovereign... ......... . ============ ========= ========= ==== At 10:36 AM 4/14/2010 -0700, you wrote: All kinds of case law stating the sovereignty remains in the PEOPLE and the two are the same. Jerry From: darren michaels <darren34276@ hotmail.com> To: myrlandsmethods@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 9:04:51 AM Subject: RE: [MYRLANDsMETHODs] New Account with a new bank? there is no such thing as a sovereign citizen To: MYRLANDsMETHODs@ yahoogroups. com From: hillwol...@yahoo. com Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:11:06 -0700 Subject: Re: Fw: [MYRLANDsMETHODs] New Account with a new bank? May I inquire as to how long ago you did this? Can you tell us the name of the bank that accepted this doc? My understanding is that the bank is required to ask for an SSN # but they are not compelled to get one if you refuse. They have complied with the law & asked & you do not have to consent to give it. Ah ha, now we have the Pat Act & I do not know other than to say their story is the bank must have SSN to stop terrorists. I cannot verify nor deny this. How can one be an adult man, natural person, American citizen, sovereign citizen, of the state of Michigan. Does'nt this put you into their "corporate" status? --- On Tue, 4/13/10, Jerry Stanton <farm_st...@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Jerry Stanton <farm_st...@yahoo. com> Subject: Fw: [MYRLANDsMETHODs] New Account with a new bank? To: MYRLANDsMETHODs@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, April 13, 2010, 11:30 PM This what I registered in court house and gave to the bank. Jerry AFFIDAVIT OF RELIGIOUS BELIEF __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Welcome to Mom Connection! Share stories, news and more with moms like you. Hobbies & Activities Zone: Find others who share your passions! Explore new interests. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use . __,_._,___ -- To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject.
