No one has criticized Hrvoje or Doug. ----- Original Message ----- From: "deana brown" <[email protected]> To: "JardataMailServices" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] Skype is written for sighted people
I don't to mean to be in the thorneveryone's side. However, I must say this. I think we're all being selfish here. Hrvoje ande Doug have all did a trimendous job on making lkype as accdessible as possible. If some of us don't appriciate that, then they shouldn't use skype at asl. If you feel you can do better,k then do it yourself. -------------------------------------------------- From: "JardataMailServices" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:53 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [Skypeenglish] Skype is written for sighted people > This theme constantly sickens me when it comes to software > development. > Blind people are not a small manority when it comes to computer use. > A > large number of porportion of blind people use computers. With > regards to > skype and their dealing with blind people, I don't see how they could > want > to work with blind people in using their products and do what they do > in > 41 and other upgrades. Microsoft changed Office 2003 to Office 2007 > and > it is almost totally different interface; how, I have no problems > using > office 2007 because they considered blind users in their product > changes. > It is not less accessible because of the changes; it is just as > accessible > because of them and with the first letter steps, it is even more > accessible. This is how skype should do it. Consider their features > and > make it a choice which interface to use. This is responsible > programming. > > I am so tired of blind people telling me that I must accept things the > way > they are just because sighted venders write for sighted people and > blind > people are not considered. > > We must stop crawling along and accepting whatever is thrown to us and > start doing things to make venders consider our needs. Blind people > are a > large enough minority to make skype take a look at our needs. If > blind > people did not matter, they would not give anything about our > feelings. > They just don't use this concern to make positive changes; they use it > to > explain why they forget about our needs. > > I feel I am being forgotten with skype 41 and, if I can, I will try to > do > something about making a product like skype work for me or impress > upon > skype to add a classic view to their current product. This can be > done > easy enough. One last last thing: I use FTP Voyager and Serv-u; they > had > a very usable classic view in their old products; they changed their > inyterface totally; but, in their view minu, there is one checkbox to > go > back to a total classic view and keep all new changes. This has not > caused any problem for sighted people and I am sure Rhinosoft writes > its > products primarily for sighted people. This is what I am talking > about; > skype can do this, but for some reason they don't. > > I am kind of tired of this, as I feel I am not getting anywhere with > skype > and their interface and their lack of concern about my needs. I, like > I > said earlier, will use the product for as long as it is permitted with > 38; > skype will determine whether or not I can continue to use their > product. > I may be a manority, but I am a consumer with money to spend and a > need to > use whatever program I want to use. > > I am not swayed by that thing of "we blind people should just be > grateful > they even consider us at all." Without scripts, skype would not be > usable > at all; therefore, what has skype done for our benefit? If skype is > so > concerned about our needs, why do script writers have to always fix it > for > them. They should write their program for all people to use it in the > first place. Again, it would not take much programming to put a > complete > classic view as part of their program. Also, I can't believe anyone > had > more trouble with 38 than with 41. > > James Robinson > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for > the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > > > To contact the list owner send a message to > mailto:[email protected] > > to download a tool to automate the installation of skypewatch go to > this > link. > www.hkprojects.tk > > and for a searchable archives page go here. > http://bit.ly/64Y48 > > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > [email protected] > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html To contact the list owner send a message to mailto:[email protected] to download a tool to automate the installation of skypewatch go to this link. www.hkprojects.tk and for a searchable archives page go here. http://bit.ly/64Y48 thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list [email protected] http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html To contact the list owner send a message to mailto:[email protected] to download a tool to automate the installation of skypewatch go to this link. www.hkprojects.tk and for a searchable archives page go here. http://bit.ly/64Y48 thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list [email protected] http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com
