one way to fix the sing in and out issue for skype is to usehrvoge's skype talking utility found at skypetalking.googlecode.com. he mentioned it earlier.
On Mar 2, 2010, at 5:20 AM, Doug Lee wrote: > I don't know what motivated the change. As for complaining, even > though I don't like it, complaining is probably good here because that > way the Skype management can get a feel for how many people their > decisions affect. Also my time on Skype has been reduced from what it > once was because I've been doing other things, notably SSB work. :) > > Bugs can be filed on https://developer.skype.com/jira/ by anyone > willing to take the time to do it. You have to set up an account, but > then you just file bug reports when you find problems. Sometimes > those bug reports cause Skype to come to me with questions btw. > > Finally, I should reiterate that the UI change in the contact, > conversation, and history lists is not an accessibility issue per se, > except where it keeps us from getting in and out of the Live > Conversations area. Skype does provide meaningful MSAA for all the > items in that window. My point is that they are nowadays conscious of > many of our needs, but they are still prone, as are many developers, > to doing things that unexpectedly break things we're used to. The > danger of my scripting so many extra features for Skype is that it is > far easier for a Skype change to break something among those features, > like Ctrl+Shift+O, even if Skype doesn't actually violate any > accessibility standards when making the change. > > So with all that said, here are some of the real accessibility issues > in Skype 4.2 that Skype needs to fix: > > 1. No way to move in and out of the live conversations part of the > conversations area. New in 4.2. > > 2. Arrows are slow in large contact and history lists. New in 4.2. > > 3. No MSAA on many systray alert message windows. New in 4.2 betas > and present in the 4.2 release. > > 4. AccHelp on conversation list entries is not cleared when it goes > out of date. You can tell this because JAWS 11, at least, will say > "Insert+F1 Help" after conversation list entries that no longer > contain unread lines. > > On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 11:00:26AM +0100, Jean Philippe wrote: > Dear Doug, > Skype was proud to clame that they were concerned with accessibility problems > in their past release notes. > It seems like their sudden interface change means that someone else > complained about something else that we are not aware of. Or is it just for > aesthetic reasons? > I know that you're in contact with the team, but can we help more by > complaining, and who should we complain to? > > Cheers, > JPR > http://www.facebook.com/jprykiel > http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Allen > To: screen access software with skype > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:31 AM > Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] Skype 4.2 scripting report > > > > Keep wishing. A wish is all that can be. No doubt a considerable majority of > people might agree, but only after everything works again. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rob" <[email protected]> > To: "screen access software with skype" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 5:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] Skype 4.2 scripting report > > >> i wish that skype and other software manufacturers would leave things alone >> once in a while. i'm getting sick and tired of having something work in >> one version all of a sudden not work in the next. >> >> rob >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Doug Lee" <[email protected]> >> To: "screen access software with skype" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:20 AM >> Subject: [Skypeenglish] Skype 4.2 scripting report >> >> >>> I'm still trying to get scripts for 4.2 out, but I'm writing now >>> because I made some troublesome discoveries. I still recommend Skype >>> 4.1 over Skype 4.2 for all but the adventurous among us. >>> >>> Here's where things stand: >>> >>> I can fix Alt+numbers and alt+arrows so they again work in text chats >>> (conversations). >>> >>> At this time, JAWS no longer says "selected" as you scroll past the >>> selected entry in contacts or conversations. >>> >>> I can not fix the sluggishness of the contact list or history if you >>> have that problem, but I suggest altering your contact list so it does >>> not include contacts who are offline, offline with call forwarding, or >>> SkypeOut numbers, to reduce the list size. Without doing that, I have >>> about 480 contacts, and it takes nearly a full second per arrow key in >>> that list. If I reduce the list as described, it becomes much >>> snappier. >>> >>> I can not fix the problem of moving in and out of the Live >>> Conversations list, though I thought I could. This, in my mind, is >>> the single most bothersome problem in Skype 4.2. To get in and out of >>> that list will require simulating mouse clicks on list items. My >>> apologies for this, but I don't see a solution other than to wait for >>> Skype to fix the problem by making arrows move seamlessly in and out >>> of there. The reason this is hard to fix with a script is somewhat >>> complicated, but for anyone out there who understands MSAA, I'll say >>> that any approach that seems to work some of the time doesn't work all >>> the time because the order of MSAA list items is not constant in that >>> window. >>> >>> We will also have to wait for Skype to fix the problem of Skypewatch >>> not reporting sign-ins and sign-outs, because this one is caused by >>> missing MSAA on systray popups, as I have mentioned before on this >>> list. >>> >>> Ctrl+Shift+O is no longer feasible and so will not work in 4.2. >>> >>> JAWSKey+F8 can include extra list items among the buttons it's >>> supposed to include. This is fixable but minor enough that I haven't >>> gotten to it yet. >>> >>> My getting scripts out to fix chat windows is also being slowed by my >>> ISP shutting down the system I use to update my web site. I still >>> hope to get something out soon, but until then, I hope the above >>> information is helpful. >>> >>> -- >>> Doug Lee [email protected] http://www.dlee.org >>> SSB BART Group [email protected] >>> http://www.ssbbartgroup.com >>> "The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit >>> of it. You have to catch up with it yourself." --Benjamin Franklin >>> >>> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the >>> latest version of skype go to >>> http://www.dlee.org/skype >>> To access tutorials and other goodies go to >>> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >>> >>> >>> To contact the list owner send a message to >>> mailto:[email protected] >>> >>> to download a tool to automate the installation of skypewatch go to this >>> link. >>> http://www.hrvojekatic.tk/ >>> >>> and for a searchable archives page go here. >>> http://bit.ly/64Y48 >>> >>> thanks and have a wonderful day. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skypeenglish mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com >> >> >> Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the >> latest version of skype go to >> http://www.dlee.org/skype >> To access tutorials and other goodies go to >> http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html >> >> >> To contact the list owner send a message to >> mailto:[email protected] >> >> to download a tool to automate the installation of skypewatch go to this >> link. >> http://www.hrvojekatic.tk/ >> >> and for a searchable archives page go here. >> http://bit.ly/64Y48 >> >> thanks and have a wonderful day. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skypeenglish mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > > > To contact the list owner send a message to > mailto:[email protected] > > to download a tool to automate the installation of skypewatch go to this > link. > http://www.hrvojekatic.tk/ > > and for a searchable archives page go here. > http://bit.ly/64Y48 > > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > [email protected] > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > > > To contact the list owner send a message to > mailto:[email protected] > > to download a tool to automate the installation of skypewatch go to this > link. > http://www.hrvojekatic.tk/ > > and for a searchable archives page go here. > http://bit.ly/64Y48 > > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > [email protected] > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com > > -- > Doug Lee [email protected] http://www.dlee.org > SSB BART Group [email protected] > http://www.ssbbartgroup.com > "Innovation is hard to schedule." -- Dan Fylstra > > Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the > latest version of skype go to > http://www.dlee.org/skype > To access tutorials and other goodies go to > http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html > > > To contact the list owner send a message to > mailto:[email protected] > > to download a tool to automate the installation of skypewatch go to this > link. > http://www.hrvojekatic.tk/ > > and for a searchable archives page go here. > http://bit.ly/64Y48 > > thanks and have a wonderful day. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skypeenglish mailing list > [email protected] > http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html To contact the list owner send a message to mailto:[email protected] to download a tool to automate the installation of skypewatch go to this link. http://www.hrvojekatic.tk/ and for a searchable archives page go here. http://bit.ly/64Y48 thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list [email protected] http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com
