So in laymen's terms, it's just more of the same. "Let's improve the Skype client and really screw things up." I thought that upgrades were supposed to be an improvement? Not screw up what worked find before. Sigh these software developers will never get it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Lee" <[email protected]> To: "screen access software with skype" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] Invisible Contacts? There are more than just list items in the 4.2 MSAA structure for the contact, conversation, and history windows - actually window, because it is one window that is reused for whichever of those you have displayed. There is no reasonable solution for this problem, because getting an accurate count would require counting items, and in some cases that will be slow enough to hog CPU and delay navigation. I could disable the count altogether, but I find the count to provide a good ballpark and thus remain useful. So at this time I don't have plans to change this behavior, and I doubt Skype does either. Fixing it from their side would be quite a task as well. I say there is no reasonable solution from the scripting side. In the interest of answering predicted questions from the more technical among list members, I will explain further here, and hope that people archive and/or repost portions of this as needed: The MSAA structure for this window contains ListItems, buttons, and possibly other item types. To get an accurate count of contacts, conversations, or history entries would require counting up the ListItem elements. To get your current position in that set would require counting up the ListItems between element 1 and your current position. The number and order of items in the set can change as you navigate; for example, buttons can appear as you arrow, which changes where things are. It is therefore not possible to save the calculation time by caching the count and/or position information between arrows etc. In a large contact list, and particularly in a history list where over a thousand items can exist, counting these things can take enough time that arrows would become slow. Arrows are already slow until/unless Skype fixes an MSAA issue with that, and I don't want to add insult to injury. :) I don't see a way for Skype to fix this from their side without revoking our access to the buttons and such that can appear inside the list, and we wouldn't want that either. So my apologies, but I think what we have is what we have for this one. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:20:17AM -0500, Anthony Rose wrote: Hi. I can't remember the reason for it, but the count is inaccurate. I've noticed this too. I've especially noticed it when I'm in a skype confrance. This has been discussed on here before, but I can't remember the reason. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack To: screen access software with skype Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:13 AM Subject: [Skypeenglish] Invisible Contacts? Hi Folks, I had to leave the group for a while, but I've returned. And I return with a question. If this has been covered in my absense, I apologize. I am running Jaws 10 as well as all current versions of Skype and scripts. The issue I'm having is this. When I'm looking at my contacts list, it starts at number 6, even though I'm looking at the first name in the list of contacts. Who or where are these other 5 phantom contacts that I can't see? I can't figure this one out. Contacting Skype over this was a waste of time. They wanted me to send them a Screen shot of the page. Well there's nothing to be see by sending a screen shot. So, any help with this would be appreciated. Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html To contact the list owner send a message to mailto:[email protected] to download a tool to automate the installation of skypewatch go to this link. http://www.hrvojekatic.tk/ and for a searchable archives page go here. http://bit.ly/64Y48 thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list [email protected] http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html To contact the list owner send a message to mailto:[email protected] to download a tool to automate the installation of skypewatch go to this link. http://www.hrvojekatic.tk/ and for a searchable archives page go here. http://bit.ly/64Y48 thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list [email protected] http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com -- Doug Lee [email protected] http://www.dlee.org SSB BART Group [email protected] http://www.ssbbartgroup.com "While they were saying among themselves it cannot be done, it was done." --Helen Keller Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html To contact the list owner send a message to mailto:[email protected] to download a tool to automate the installation of skypewatch go to this link. http://www.hrvojekatic.tk/ and for a searchable archives page go here. http://bit.ly/64Y48 thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list [email protected] http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for the latest version of skype go to http://www.dlee.org/skype To access tutorials and other goodies go to http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html To contact the list owner send a message to mailto:[email protected] to download a tool to automate the installation of skypewatch go to this link. http://www.hrvojekatic.tk/ and for a searchable archives page go here. http://bit.ly/64Y48 thanks and have a wonderful day. _______________________________________________ Skypeenglish mailing list [email protected] http://emissives.com/mailman/listinfo/skypeenglish_emissives.com
