begin Jeff Waugh quotation:

> There's the default setup of the packages though - inetd and snmpd are
> two good examples of non-good defaults in Debian packages.

Hmm.  My Debian server's installation-default /etc/inetd.conf went in
like this:


  #:INTERNAL: Internal services
  #echo           stream  tcp     nowait  root    internal
  #echo           dgram   udp     wait    root    internal
  #chargen        stream  tcp     nowait  root    internal
  #chargen        dgram   udp     wait    root    internal
  discard         stream  tcp     nowait  root    internal
  discard         dgram   udp     wait    root    internal
  daytime         stream  tcp     nowait  root    internal
  #daytime        dgram   udp     wait    root    internal
  time            stream  tcp     nowait  root    internal
  #time           dgram   udp     wait    root    internal

  #:STANDARD: These are standard services.

  #:BSD: Shell, login, exec and talk are BSD protocols.

  #:MAIL: Mail, news and uucp services.
  smtp            stream  tcp     nowait  mail    /usr/sbin/exim exim -bs

  #:INFO: Info services

  #:BOOT: Tftp service is provided primarily for booting.  Most sites
  # run this only on machines acting as "boot servers."

  #:RPC: RPC based services

  #:HAM-RADIO: amateur-radio services

  #:OTHER: Other services


That's not bad.  Of course, the default only lasted about five seconds.
<grin>  That's the result of that essential ingredient I mentioned.

> Every distro has this issue, it's a tough one to get right.

I leave this debate for those who're obliged to worry about systems
lacking the essential ingredient.  Any alert sysadmin will only run the
services he's decided on running, have installed only CGI scripts he's
checked and decided he needs, etc.

If you want a system that installs with all possible services firmly
disabled by default, use OpenBSD.  But I personally found that approach
to be ludicrous and a pain in the neck.

I haven't used SNMP lately, so can't check to see what you mean.

The other matter, which I alluded to briefly, strikes me as more of a
real issue:  Why should a distribution offer for installatiion as
default selections BIND v. 8, sendmail, and wu-ftpd, in this day and
age?  Those all have hideously bad security histories, can be
expected to have ongoing problems, and I'd not use any of them.

(Again, the alert sysadmin _can and will_ fix that, by yanking them out
and replacing them with better-designed alternatives.  But it's a
nuisance.)

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