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Reason being that whilst I like Linux my machine wont accept the linux as it is setout - I cannot get the display & Modem to work Regards Brian Doughty -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 9 August 2002 6:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: slug digest, Vol 1 #2092 - 7 msgs Send slug mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of slug digest..."
Today's Topics: 1. Re: Recruiters (Jon Teh) 2. Re: Recruiters (Rev Simon Rumble) 3. Re: Recruiters (Jeff Waugh) 4. Re: log stderr from crontab (Peter Hardy) 5. bios for AcerPower PC (David Fitch) 6. Re: [chat] Re: [SLUG] Recruiters (Marcel Kunath) 7. Re: Recruiters (Terry Collins)
--- Begin Message ---On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 06:44:10PM +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > Hi all, > > <rant mode = "11"> > > How much do people dislike recruiters? > > I have just applied for a Unix developement job and supplied a > beautiful resume done in LaTeX and rendered to PDF. On submission > the recruiter asks for the ducument to be supplied in Word > format. > A good recruiter will be able to convert from .pdf, anyway. If they say they can only use .doc, they are too damn lazy, and can be safely avoided like the plague. It basically means they are not interested in a potentially good candidate. You will find decent recruiters out there, but then again, I'm biased :) -- Jon Teh--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---On Thu 08 Aug, Erik de Castro Lopo made the following spurious claims: > I have just applied for a Unix developement job and supplied a > beautiful resume done in LaTeX and rendered to PDF. On submission > the recruiter asks for the ducument to be supplied in Word > format. There are generally two reasons why they want this. 1) (most common) is they want to chop out your identifying details before forwarding it to the employer so they don't go direct. In this case, supply two versions: one with no identifier, the other with. 2) (much less common) I've found some recruiter-scum here in London have big document management systems into which they dump all CVs they receive. Later on they run queries over these CVs when they're trying to fill positions. Of course these systems are only good as the query used and I've been sent many completely ridiculous jobs through this: "no I'm not a German speaking C++ programmer just because I have the word 'Linux' on my CV" If I had the time and inclination, I would love to set up a recruitment agency. The agency would be based around three key tennets: 1) The staff would all be technical people who at least once a year went out and took contracts. That way the staff keep a hand in the industry and, as a nice staff bonus, get to cherry-pick the best contracts. 2) Everything would be run around an email-based tracking system. Both sides will be kept up-to-date by emails which say "Your CV has been received", "Your CV has been forwarded to an employer", "You were not successful for this position, would you like us to keep your CV on file?" etc etc 3) A strict policy of _NEVER_ lying would be in place. Both sides of every transaction (employer and employee) would know exactly what cut the agency is taking. Always. Think yourself lucky though. The only employers who ever advertise direct for tech jobs here in the UK are council and government employers. Everyone else uses pond-scum recruiters. Do I sound bitter? -- Rev Simon Rumble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> www.rumble.net Send email with subject "send key pub" for public key. Warning - Contains nuts! - On a packet of peanuts--- End Message ---
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> How much do people dislike recruiters?
Please take this to slug-chat, as it's more appropriate there.
Thanks,
- Jeff
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On Thu, 2002-08-08 at 18:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> hello,
Hey dude. How's the laptop? :-)
> i'm running a script via crontab and want stdout and sterr to be appended
> to cronstuff.log just so i can keep an eye on this one script.
>
> 1) Is it best (or even possible) to add something like:
>
> 02 17 * * mon,thur,sat root /usr/local/bin/sitestats >> cronstuff.log
> 2>&1
>
> (and does it matter about spaces/tabs any time after the <command> ?)
It certainly is possible, and cron doesn't worry about whitespace in the
command.
> 2) or should i add it to the script /usr/local/bin/sitestats
I think it's cleaner to do it the first way, in case you ever want to
run the script outside of cron or have it log elsewhere.
> If I do 2), will mail still be sent to root?
Mail only gets sent if there's any output from the script. So, unless
something goes wrong, it won't send mail.
> 3) I've read about MAILTO being included in crontab. Perhaps this is a
> better (simpler) way to go? Except I want the mail relating to this job,
> being run by root, to be sent to me at my mail addie.
If you put
MAILDIR="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
in your crontab, then cron will send to that address. But it'll send
the output of all the jobs in that crontab file, which may or may not be
what you want.
If you only want the output from the one job mailed to you, then you
might like to try something like:
02 17 * * mon,thur,sat root /usr/local/bin/sitestats 2>&1 | mail -s
cronstuff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(all on one line, of course)
Hrmn. Hope that helps.
--
Pete
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
...if it is true that the act of observing changes the thing
which is observed (because of quantum), it's even more true
that it changes the observer.
(Terry Pratchett, Soul Music)
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--- Begin Message ---I have acquired an "AcerPower 3000NP" which is one of those slimline desktop PCs of the pentium 233 vintage. Trouble is I can't get into the BIOS. The splash screen says to hit cntrl-alt-esc which I do but to no effect. The Acer website is useless it doesn't even list this model. I've fiddled with some jumpers on the motherboard but to no avail, any other ideas?? Ta, Dave.--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---I couldn't agree more with everything you two said. Since I moved here from overseas I have not gotten past the first barrier (recruiter or government criteria) except in maybe three cases. Somebody on the list here remembered me when they had a possible opening and I am greatful for that. Made me feel that there are still honest people out there. (even though I didn't go for that offer as I found something elsze by then.) It's tough for many people since their resume may not look impressive but their work effort and results are. In the end I worked a shit job for a few months and moved up;. The thing for me is that I can't convin ce "strangers" that I am capable of doing about anything. mk [A> > [Take it to -chat, nothing to see here] > On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > > > <rant mode = "11"> > > > > How much do people dislike recruiters? > > Oh, words cannot describe my loathing for the vast majority of these > bottom-feeding sub-human blood-sucking parasites. Or maybe they can... > > > I have just applied for a Unix developement job and supplied a > > beautiful resume done in LaTeX and rendered to PDF. On submission > > the recruiter asks for the ducument to be supplied in Word > > format. > > Short Answer: No. > > Longer Answer: Get Stuffed. > > Real Answer: Any changes you may think are needed, tell me and I will make > them. You don't get anything that you can fiddle with, because you'll f**k > it up. > > > One of the reasons I chose PDF was that in my last two dealings with > > recruiters, I submitted resumes which the recruiters edited. In both > > of these case, when I interviewed with the potential employer, I > > found that the recruiters edits had removed information which the > > employer was actually interested in seeing. The first case was with > > my current employer and the second was more recently. > > That's par for the course. Better is when they *really* screw it up, and > somehow manage to cut-and-paste someone else's resume onto your > name-and-details. > > > Finally when you speak to these parasites, they have zero understanding > > of the job I am applying for or my experience. Why do employers insist > > on dealing with these parasites? Surely they could do better themselves. > > Mostly it's because it's seen as cheaper. Rather than spend $N dollars > (heh) on one (or more) of their own employees defining the job, calling for > applications, sifting through the crap, pruning it down to the shortlist, > conducting interviews, checking references and documentation, and actually > making a frigging decision (the one thing that managers are incapable of > doing, as a species) they just pay someone else muchos-dollaros to do the > same thing. The idea is an economy of scale. If the recruiter has 10 jobs > of the same sort (or what the recruiter thinks is the same sort, anyway) on > the books, he prunes down the same pack of resumes and sends the short-list > to all ten positions. Cheaper. At least, that's the corporate > mentality[1]. > > In practice, what you usually get is a bunch of poorly-suited applicants who > are well-practiced in buzzword seeding their resumes, while the decent > applicants get bored with the whole process (the others having no brain to > bore) and go and find something interesting to do. > > There is the odd decent recruiter out there, and if you find one staple > yourself to them and let the rest of us know (I'm serious - I want a field > example of a decent recruiter for my collection of rare and mysterious > artefacts). The rest aren't worth feeding. > > Best way to get a job - inside knowledge (you know someone who knows someone > who knows there's a job going) or you find companies you'd like to work for > (there are lots, just keep looking) and contact them direct. Ask for the HR > department, and start talking. Don't stop until you've got a face-to-face > with someone. Don't be fobbed off with "send us your resume [so we can > round-file it]" or "we're not looking right now, contact us again in three > months". They might not have a real job for you right now, but as a kind-of > businessman myself (slowly but surely getting there) I'm always on the > lookout for talent. Anyone I think might be good when I find a job for > them, I'll make sure I've got semi-permanent contact details for them. Good > companies do the same thing. Make sure you get some sort of 'interview' > with someone higher than secretary where you can hand over your resume and > make a good first face-to-face impression. > > Good luck with the job-hunting; since the .bomb it's been a tougher world. > > [1] The same mentality that produces "we'll sell them at a loss, but make it > up on the volume". > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > #include <disclaimer.h> > Matthew Palmer, Geek In Residence > http://ieee.uow.edu.au/~mjp16 > > -- > SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ > More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug-chat >--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: ...much snip.... > Surely they could do better themselves. Can I put in 2c for Techstreet http://www.techstreet.com.au. (I just use it) -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.woa.com.au Wombat Outdoor Adventures <Bicycles, Books, Computers, GIS> "People without trees are like fish without clean water"--- End Message ---
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