-=> I apologise for posting this to SLUG, but since I know Jon 
-=> would 'accidentally' post it there when he responds anyway, 
-=> it seemed worthwhile.

Unfamiliar with the Laws of Libel, I see...:-)  You've been hanging around 
with undesirables for too long...

-=> 
-=> > John, sounds like you've been taking personality lessons from 
-=> > Jeff...:-) Try taking your head out of your ass for a change.
-=> > 
-=> 
-=> Jon, please grow up.

Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.

-=> 
-=> > Jeff's gone....
-=> 
-=> Well, it looks like I lost that bet.  I had it as 4 days 
-=> before you made some snide remark about the departing 
-=> committee members.  One of the advantages at no longer 
-=> being VP is that I can say what I think now.

Never stopped you before, Tony...

-=> 
-=> Put up or shut up.  If you think SLUG was being run poorly, 
-=> why not get up off your backside and nominate yourself to 
-=> the committee?  Do something about it, or is it more fun to 
-=> sit there and moan about how other people do things?

As I have repeatedly stated, to you, Jeff and others, I'd run for the 
committee, however as it is physically impossible for me to get to SLUG 
meetings, due to where I live and transport arangements, and other family 
responsibilities that are none of your business, I can't see how me being ON 
the committee would be a good thing.

-=> 
-=> > Yes, the admins are volunteers, and a members-only list 
-=> would LESSEN 
-=> > the workload, not increase it. If you can't see that then 
-=> maybe you 
-=> > should go back to Windows... You're obviously too THINK 
-=> to use Linux !
-=> 
-=> If and when the list policy changes, I'm sure it will come 
-=> from a consensus from the financial members.  Details for 
-=> actually becoming a financial member can be found here btw 
-=> : http://www.slug.org.au/membership.html

You're too kind...

-=> I would welcome such a vote, to put an end to the bi-weekly 
-=> flamewars that seem to be occuring.  I have no real 
-=> feelings one way or the other, but I do feel that if the 
-=> policy changes it should be down to full members to make the call.

That's a reasonable and sane suggestion - although I do think that, as the 
list has far more members than just SLUG 'financial' members, the whole list 
should be allowed to vote.

-=> The committee do run all of SLUG, not just the mailing 
-=> lists.  It's not an easy job and it takes a lot of time.  
-=> It's made a lot harder by the lack of understanding and 
-=> support from the people on the list.  

I understand how much time and energy it takes - my suggestion would LESSEN 
the amount of effort involved..  But aparently no-one can see that... 

-=> If you don't like something on the list, you have a few options
-=> 
-=> *) Change it yourself (Install spamassassin to catch the spams)

If the spam didn't count as part of my download limit, I'd not care... If I 
use SA to catch it, it still has to be downloaded, defeating the purpose. 
Surely it is the responsibility of the list provider to take all reasonable 
steps to prevent abuse of the list - if that means making it a "members only" 
list, then that's fine.

-=> *) Try to get enough support so that the list policy is changed

I've made this suggestion time and time again - I guess most people are just 
too apathetic to care.

-=> *) Leave the list

Nope...  Why should I ?  Why should my opinions and ideas be "censored" by 
leaving the list ?

-=> *) Live with it

Again, nope...

-=> I don't see many people complaining about it.  Yes there 
-=> are a few SPAM and the ctte are working hard to resolve 
-=> them.  Moving to a closed list is being investigated and a 
-=> number of good suggestions for improvements have been 
-=> posted to the ctte list.

Well, if someone had sais this a week ago, then none of this crap would have 
occurred !

> http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-
8&q=linux+advocacy+for+dummies&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

Interesting link - I will read it later.

>Jon, you REALLY need to get out more.

Oh, I do... When was the last time you fought a bushfire ?  I "get out" more 
than I need to...

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