On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 10:02, Terry Collins wrote: > Get the message folks - Unless you are a real employer, your messages do > not count in my books. Nor should they count with anyone else, but that > is your money and I really don't care.
I really DO recommend people to be employed. I really DO actually cull resumes by reading them. Sorry to disappoint. > There is only one reason to do any "certification". That is that it > will get you job/employment/money. Yes I am advising that I think a piece of paper gets you past the first point. Past that it really is useless. Sorry but your Novell certification is now wallpaper. Rule 1 of interviews if they look at your paper work they are looking for something to talk about and you have lost the job. Rule 2 your paperwork gets you the interview. > Me, I have enough "certification" to wall paper my office. Me, I have none, including LPI but I have stayed with my company 10 years. According to your comments you want a new job, I can only advise what is looked for. What you do with this advice is up to yourself. > > The LPI is a hard test and it is a good benchmark. > > Seriously, it could only have improved The public trial was a real > howler. Seriously there are are 90% of our resumes now say "I have used Unix / Linux", LPI means you are actually serious. A comment in your resume means I have booted knoppix at least once. > > The fact that you > > must have real experience is important for getting a job but the LPI > > will guarantee that you have a broad knowledge not a narrow one that you > > gained from experience. > > It would be the first certification in the world to do that. Now this is negative. I understand it but it really is negative. Weigh the cost of not having it against the cost of having it. I did this for my University degree ($10K after tax) and it came out lacking so I dropped my course. I think you would benefit from the reading up (side benefit) of LPI, the exam is relatively cheap so why not do it. (** wait for Geoff to pipe in and say good advice and why haven't you done it Ken **) > > Personally I learnt a lot from do the two semesters in Granville TAFE > > and if I had time I would repeat the course to scrape a lot more out. > > I think you are confusing two things here; the courses run by Geoff > Robertson at Granville TAFE and LPI Certification. Yes I have to congratulate Geoff on his efforts as well. > > It is my opinion that any certification will only get you through the > > secretaries hands. "Here cull these resumes, give me only ones with 10+ > > years and look good or a certification." The job is up to you but you > > need this to get in the door. > > Well, I want beyond the secretary, because I've decided jobs run like > that are not worth having. Been there, done that a number of times. > Working with "certified" people can best be described as "interesting". The point is that I don't have time to read 100 resumes I get maybe 10, do you want to be in that pile or not. > Bottom line; if you are thinking of paying for certification, go to > http://www.jobnet.com.au or some other employment site and see exactly > what "certification" is being requested and paid for. Next dose of reality here. My company still does not use online services, we still pay to have our resumes culled by head hunters. What the head hunters put up are tempered by their perception of you, they do not have a clue technically. I don't condone using head hunters, it just is. We hired a Unix person because they had an MCSE as well, go figure??? so certifications certainly do count. They are not the whole picture. If you are not passing go on your resume with prior certification then seriously consider investing in professional resume writing not in certification. This will have a higher return on investment. -- Thanks KenF OpenOffice.org developer -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
