James wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 October 2005 08:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Has anybody ever used winders troubleshooting help and got real help? 

totally irrelevant. either you are attempting to build a quality
alternative, or just producing rubbish slightly better than the
alternative. Which?


> So the answer is that for complicated systems KISS as simple as you can and 
> RFM which includes the Howtos. 

About as useful as reading a science manual of 1900's.

> I'd rather have a hard time spelunking to find the answer to MY problem than 
> an easy time finding answers to NotMyProblem.

Well, you don't even find that. Examples are not a *nix strongpoint.



> so IMHO 'Traditionally, Unix has been weak in valuing attention to usability'
> is rubbish, it does not waste your time trying to guess and resolve every 
> problem totally ineffectivly giving you a false sense of wellbeing.

I think the original comparison was that lilo squarks when it can not
understand something, so you have a chance of fixing minor problems
before you end up with an non-bootable machine.



> 
> RealExample
> I use rdesktop to Xp headless. I want to shut down the Winders Machine. Show 
> me the 'help' that answers the simple question: "How to shutdown Windows"
> (For those doing thought experiments: start->logout/shutdown gives options 
> Logout, Disconnect, NOT Shutdown) me, 1 MS qualified eng, 2 
> how-hard-linux-is-and-how-easy-winders-is spent an hour trying to find the 
> answer, then found it by fiddling!!

Again, THE issue isn't how bad or difficult MS windows variations are,
but how well Linux does the job.





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