There really doesn't need to be another post on this discussion, but I just cant help myself, please feel free to delete this email without reading any further ...

Still here? okay then here goes.

Even from very early on in my journey to Linux enlightenment, (not too long ago) I have always found the response RTFM very comical, most of the time my response was to laugh and say - "heh, yeah, you caught me out, I should have tried the man page but I was too lazy" or "wow, that person is getting really annoyed because I am having problems, that's really funny, they need to chill out".

I welcome RTFM when it is appropriate. If the answer is clearly documented, then in my opinion, I deserve to be told not to be lazy or to act defenceless. HOWEVER!!!!........... I have not used RTFM on a mailing list or anywhere else, I have once used RTM. Although I do not have any problem with RTFM, I realise many people would, and as my intent is not to offend some one, I do not use the term. It is obvious that there ARE people on this list that are offended by the term, and whether half, a majority or all but a couple of people are happy with the term, the fact remains that there are people who will be offended.
SO ..
Rather than try and decide who is right and who is wrong on this issue, why don't we just understand that opinions vary, and why don't we find a term that essentially means the same thing, but does not have the insulting effect? For example, use simply "You can find the answer if you RTM, man grep" in the case of an obvious grep question. If needs be have a definition of RTM somewhere on the SLUG website that can be referred to for those unaware of RTM's meaning. If worded correctly, people will understand RTM is meant to help them not insult them. The day I learnt to find answers for myself, was the day I leapt forward in knowledge. Is that a fair assessment? Can we use RTM if done in a nice way so that people can learn to learn?

For the record, I believe most newbies would feel rejected if told to RTFM, mainly because a lot of the time newbies don't even know there IS a manual, and I can assure you, most newbies feel that they are already wasting your time, so reminding them of this point makes them feel even more useless.

My 2c (and then some)

Tuxta
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