maybe, forget to chew "M"entos when deciding to move from Mandrake to M$... :)
may need to change this topic... shutdown... http://www.straitstimes.com/Latest%2BNews/Singapore/STIStory_223413.html --- Hendra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I kind of agree with the argument about TOO MUCH CHOICE IN LINUX but IMHO, > that may be the case for the desktop end-users. For the server market, I > think currently it bogs down to the mainstream distros like RHEL, Debian, or > Suse (compared to the many Windows > editions<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions>, > they're still outnumbered ;). And put this into the context, in my opinion, > to Virtual Map, technology is their game, if it's not, it should be. So to > know that they don't know anything about this (as it seems judging from what > said by the business developer at Virtual Map) is really surprising to me. > It's not like they are selling cupcakes at every shopping mall in Singapore > and just using IT for keeping track of how many sold and whether the banana > flavoured ones flying off the shelfs faster than plain old chocholate. IMHO, > the article had succesfully put Virtual Map at the same level as Old Chang > Kee in terms of knowledge and expertise in information technology. > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:05 AM, Roy Ong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 00:32 +0800, Hendra wrote: > > > --- Roy Ong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > this is a bad article. i remember reading a para citing the reason for > > > > shifting away from Fedora is because the community is "no longer" > > > > supporting it. really ... i think the editorial needs to get the facts > > > > right ... either educate the interviewee or provide a clarification. > > > > this highlights the lack of depth in editorial as well as the > > > > interviewee. bad on both counts. > > > > > > > > fedora is an on-going project and the reason is simply because they > > > > refuse to update/upgrade their existing fedora distribution. and in > > the > > > > first place ... choosing fedora as a production distribution for a > > > > server? hugh? please ... personally, i'm hoping to see a formal > > > > rebuttal, perhaps something from the local fedora ambassadors? > > > > > > > > good, knowledgeable engineers don't come cheap. i guess this is a case > > > > of you pay peanuts, you get monk*ys ... and you know what kind of > > advice > > > > they give. sigh. > > > > > > if really linux sysadmin, different linux distro won't make any > > different, just > > > open eyes on first day... > > > even for exploring *BSD & Sol... > > > > > > Redhat, Novell and Sun are there, wondering why M$ replaced Mandrake? > > Same "M" > > > ? :) > > > > well, i guess then its not really a linux sysadmin then. in any case, i > > think this will not be the last we hear of businesses switching from > > some form of linux, foss, opensource to M$. > > > > we must all realize that for many SME business-owners, technology is > > just not their game. they use technology to support their business > > activities but that doesn't mean that they will have the ability to > > understand, comprehend and make informed choices. many a times, things > > are left to the "best person" to make the choices - and in some cases, > > the "best person" is a relative junior "system administrator" whose idea > > of a command line is still running .bat files - doing "dir/w" and > > "ipconfig" > > > > take a step back and look at where we are at today. for many of us on > > this mailing list, we can probably tell that the article doesn't do > > justice to fedora, linux and in a certain extent FOSS. but what's going > > to happen thereafter? well, my personal guess is that these articles > > about businesses switching to M$ products will still continue to make > > the news, highlighting key features of the newer set of M$ products > > while making a mockery of what alternatives they have been using > > earlier. yes, you can be sure that's going happen - we all know it - > > this isn't the first time that an article like this has made the > > news ... but the true question is ... what are "we" going to do about > > it? > > > > "we" ??? yes - whose the "we" that i am referring to? well, anyone and > > everyone involved in this linux, foss, opensource revolution - fedora > > users, ubuntu users, linux users, community leaders, community members, > > commercial business owners, developers etc. EVERYONE ... you know what > > the problem is? the problem is ... with linux, foss, opensource ... > > there is just TOO MUCH choice and TOO LITTLE education. listen to the > > business owner and he'll likely to tell you ... > > > > "fedora, rhel, suse, debian, ubuntu ... whoa - so many choose from - > > which one and how to choose hugh?" > > > > and whose their beside them to make a choice? their own trusted system > > administrator, who in the first place ain't too sure himself :P > > > > i know ... some of you are going to say that we are already introducing > > linux, foss and opensource into the schools and institutes of higher > > learning so perhaps things are not so bad. yes, that's a great step in > > the right direction but that's only a beginning. there is a need to > > follow-up and continue to make sure that these individuals are kept > > abreast of the what's happening in the ever-changing linux, foss and > > opensource environment. > > > > on a daily basis, locally, we are stuffed with advertisements, articles, > > sales material that all carry that all too familiar term "Windows > > XXX" ... why can't we see "Linux" "Opensource" "FOSS" for a change? > > can't "we" get media coverage as well? can't "we" point the editorial to > > successful case studies of someone migrating away from M$ and to a > > linux, foss and opensource alternative? is the local linux, foss and > > opensource environment too small a market to be deserve some attention? > > singapore is a place for many firsts and leads in many areas - sadly, > > linux, foss and opensource doesn't seem to make the list > > > > ... to put it bluntly, if you think that the article deserves an > > "advertisement" tag right at the top ... then i would like some day to > > see an "advertisement" for linux, foss and opensource ... > > > > > > roy ong. > > - business-owner whose business functions runs on centos/rhel > > - end-user whose desktop/laptop runs on fedora > > :P > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Search, browse and book your hotels and flights through Yahoo! 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