[sma1bks] Fwd: [elektro98ftui] Very very good debate

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>>An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his
class on the problem
>>science has with God, the Almighty. He asks one of
his new Muslim
>>students to stand and.....
>>
>>Professor: You are a Muslim, aren't you, son?
>>Student : Yes, sir.
>>
>>Prof: So you believe in God?
>>
>>Student : Absolutely, sir.
>>
>>Prof: Is God good?
>>
>>Student : Sure.
>>
>>Prof: Is God all-powerful?
>>
>>Student : Yes.
>>
>>Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he
prayed to God to heal
>>him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are
ill. But God
>>didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?
>>
>>(Student is silent.)
>>
>>Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again,
young fella. Is
>>God good?
>>
>> ;Student :Yes.
>>
>>Prof: Is Satan good?
>>
>>Student : No.
>>
>>Prof: Where does Satan come from?
>>
>>Student : From...God...
>>
>>Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in
this world?
>>
>>Student : Yes.
>>
>>Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make
everything.
>>Correct?
>>
>>Student : Yes.
>>
>>Prof: So who created evil?
>>
>>(Student does not answer.)
>>
>>Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred?
Ugliness? All these
>>terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
>>
>>Student :Yes, sir.
>>
>>Prof: So, who created them?
>>
>>(Student has no answer.)
>>
>>Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to
identify and observe
>>the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever
seen God?
>>
>>Student: No, sir.
>>
>>Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
>>
>>Student : No , sir.
>>
>>Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God,
smelt your God?
>>Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for
that matter?
>>
>>Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
>>
>>Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
>>
>>Student : Yes.
>>
>>Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable
protocol, science
>>says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to
that, son?
>>
>>Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
>>
>>Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science
has.
>>
>>Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
>>
>>Prof: Yes.
>>
>>Student : And is ther e such a thing as cold?
>>
>>Prof: Yes.
>>
>>Student : No sir. There isn't
>>
>>The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this
turn of events.)
>>
>>Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more
heat, superheat,
>>megaheat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But
we don't have
>>anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees       
below zero which
is
>>no heat, but  we can't go any further after that.
There is no such
thing
>>as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the
absence of heat.
We
>>cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the
opposite of heat,
>>sir, just the absence of it.
>>
>>There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
>>
>>Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there
such a thing as
>>darkness?
>>
>>Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
>>
>>Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the
absence of
>>something. You can have low light, normal light,
bright light,
flashing
>>light....But if you have no light constantly, you
have nothing and
it's
>>called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness
isn't. If it were you
>>would be able to make darkness, darker, wouldn't
you?
>>
>>Prof: So what is the point you are making, young
man?
>>
>>Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical
premise is flawed.
>>
>>Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
>>
>>Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of
duality. You argue
>>there is life and then there is death, a good God
and a bad God. You
are
>>viewing the concept of God as something finite,
something we can
>>measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.
It uses
electricity
>>and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully
understood either
>>one. To view death as  the opposite of life is to be
ignorant of the
>>fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the
>>opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell
me, Professor. Do
you
>>teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
>>
>>Prof: If you are referring to the natural
evolutionary process, yes,
of
>>course, I do.
>>
>>Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your
own eyes, sir?
>>
>>(The Professor shakes his head with a smile,
beginning to realize
>>where the argument is going.)
>>
>>Student : Since no one has ever observed the process
of evolution at
>>work and cannot even prove that this process is an
on-going endeavour,
>>are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not
a scientist but a
>>preacher?
>>
>>(The class is in uproar.)
>>
>>Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever
seen the
>>Professor's brain?
>>
>>(The class breaks out into laughter.)
>>
>>Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard
the Professor's
>>brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one
appears to have done
so.
>>So, according to the established rules of empirical,
stable,
>>demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no
brain, sir. With
>>all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your
lectures, sir?
>>
>>The room is silent. The professor stares at the
student, his face
>>unfathomable.
>>
>>Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith,
son.
>>
>>Student : That is it sir.. The link between man &
God is FAITH. That
is
>>all that keeps things moving & alive.
>>
>>
>>
>>NB: I believe you have enjoyed the
conversation...and if so...you'll
>>probably want your friends/colleagues to enjoy the
same... won't
>>you?...forward them to increase their knowledge...


           
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