On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:30:33 -0700
Gary Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You bet, that is the right way to connect cable to these radios. You can hook this up hanging from a tower in 30 mile an hour winds with a flashlight in your mouth. (Yes I have had to do this! ) Just try that with an RJ-45 crimper.
Tom Haynes wrote:
>Punchdowns are made for controlled environments. They have a >tendency to
>loosen up with vibration or extreme temp swings. A screw terminal >will hold
>the wires properly in most conditions. Included is an example of a >good and
>a bad terminal strip.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>On Behalf Of Wyoming.com
>Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:19 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [smartBridges] We've just about had it
>
>I would rather see a punch down connection before a screw down >strip. >I don't think the RJ-45 is bad, but would be nice to have it plug >directly into the radio. The problem with having a screw down strip >or a punch down strip on the radio would be trying to get up to the >radio to screw the wires down or punch the wires down. Alot of time >you have to reach up over your head to plug the RJ-45 connector in >which can be pre made on the ground.
>
>Just my $.02
>
>For now I think the pigtail is just fine. I think SB has bigger >fish to fry right now with getting these radios stable. We have >about 40-50 units deployed right now. We started installing these >back in November. For the first 6 months everything was rock solid, >but since the end of April things have fallen apart. Equipment just >keeps flaking out. The main issues that we see are the Lock up >problem and the ethernet going bad. Some of the ones that have gone >bad were installed back in November and never gave us any issues >until last month. We have experimented with diferent firmwares, but >nothing seems to be fixing our issues. We are installing them the >same today as we were back in November. We use the Motorola Canopy >Ground block before we brinig the ethernet into the building. Is >anyone else using the Canopy ground block?
>
>All we can do is keep trying to figure out where the issue is coming >from. >The smartbridge team has bent over backwards for us and I know they >will come through on fixing this one too. But right now making >these radios stable has to be the #1 thing on their list.
>
>Thanks............Dan
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 01:59:18 +0800
>"Alex Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >
>>Hi Gary,
>>
>>You made a good suggestion and we will follow up with the
>>implementation. >>Alex
>>sB Tech Support
>> >> >>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett
>>Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 1:11 AM
>>To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>>Subject: Re: [smartBridges] We've just about had it
>>
>>
>>IMHO the RJ-45 at the radio is a major point of failure. I believe >>a >>screw terminal strip would be more reliable, and should be in a >>separate
>>
>>compartment from the electronics, that could be opened and resealed >>without exposing the radio parts.
>>Any length of outdoor Cat5 could be connected, and the radio could >>be >>changed without damaging the wire to the building.
>>Crimping a connector on Cat5 is shaky at best on the bench, not to >>mention on a roof or tower. The fewer unsoldered connections the >>better,
>>
>>and RJ-45s can and do oxidize in damp environments. 24 gauge wire >>is >>too small for power regardless of what Ohms law says. Adding a >>flakey connector like an RJ-45 to it is asking for trouble. >>Sometimes real life
>>
>>conditions are not what the formulas added up to. We are fighting >>mother
>>
>>nature here and nature always wins. The natural cycle of corrosion >>and degradation has been going on for eons and it begins immediately >>upon exposure to air and humidity.
>>
>>
>>Alex Wong wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>>Thanks George. The earlier outdoor units has 50feet cable and >>>because the length is vary on the client installation, that has >>>changed to 1 foot cable with weatherproof connector. Now that also >>>pose problem as >>>you mentioned, suggesting to have direct RJ45 jack at the unit >>>itself, is that what you guys want it? For the power supply, we are >>>in the stage of developing a "Super Powershot" that is intelligent >>>to adjust the voltage based on cable sensed.
>>>
>>>Alex
>>>sB Tech Support
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yes
>>>Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 12:25 AM
>>>To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>>>Subject: Re: [smartBridges] We've just about had it
>>>
>>>
>>>Alex
>>>No offense is meant. you guys have a nice product.
>>>The number #1 thing a Wisp needs out of a radio is STABILITY. >>>Advance features are nice, but, a radio that just runs and runs and >>>runs is most important. A couple things I've noticed is that some of >>>the problems I've had ranged from low quality poe adapter and wall >>>wart transformer. to smaller gage conductors going to unit. My first >>>time using an outdoor unit, I had to cut the end of the cable to get >>>it into
>>> >>>
>>>the home . When I went to put a new end on I noticed the strands are >>>smaller in size and it didn't fit snug into the end . I wonder if >>>the smaller size conductor it self is a problem with power. voltage >>>drop being the key word here. George
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Alex Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 9:01 AM
>>>Subject: RE: [smartBridges] We've just about had it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>>I read through the whole list about this topic. And thanks for the
>>>>info and input, we will definitely probe into this to analyse the >>>>situation that you people encounter. Not everyone has the same >>>>problem
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>>though or rather not all devices has the problem; units that are
>>>>failing may either poor installation setup or the environment >>>>factors or even manufacturer defeats but these do not represent >>>>product issue.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>>And some seemed to fix the problem like using higher power voltage,
>>>>shielded twister pair, static IP, long preamble or for stable >>>>operation.
>>>>
>>>>For those who have the problem, I urge you to write to
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] so that we can address this in details >>>>individually and replace the units if required.
>>>>
>>>>Nevertheless, your valuable input will help us to find ways to >>>>correct
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>>such problem and improve the product reliability. We will keep you
>>>>updated.
>>>>
>>>>Alex
>>>>sB Tech Support
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
>>>>Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:11 PM
>>>>To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>>>>Subject: RE: [smartBridges] We've just about had it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>We use statics also with public's on the clients. We however do not
>>>>keep everything 192.168.0.22 and do change that for each customer.
>>>>
>>>>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>>>>From: "Ryan Whalen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 07:50:16 -0600
>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>>>I use statics and have had no problems either...I only have about 10
>>>>>units deployed however, but they have been out for anywhere from 8 >>>>>to
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>>>1
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>month.
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 6:02 AM
>>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>Subject: Re: [smartBridges] We've just about had it
>>>>>
>>>>>You may have something there Joe. I don't use DHCP here either
>>>>>(static
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>private on the airBridge and static public on the client) and we
>>>>>don't have too many problems like those guys.
>>>>>
>>>>>I had 3 units die from the "ethernet thing", but thats about it with
>>>>>over 50 units in use. One or two customers have to do the unplug and >>>>>replug back in, but that's not a show stopper and the customer is >>>>>willing to continue waiting for the firmware fix.
>>>>>
>>>>>Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Joe Laura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 2:00 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [smartBridges] We've just about had it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>Im starting to wonder why there are so many problems with S/B's. I
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>bought
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>some indoor gear day one. They had the chip problem as we all know.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>>>>I
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>returned those and started using the indoor units outside in
>>>>>>plastic
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>boxes
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>with pigtails. I have about 10 of them like that. When the outdoor
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>became
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>available I started using those. I now have 3 pops with close to 30
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>clients.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>I have had 1 bad power shot, 1 dead indoor A/P from lightning and 1
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>bad
>>>>>APPO
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>which I think my tech might have tightened the N connector to
>>>>>>tight.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>Other
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>than that no problems. My clients never have to reset ever. I check
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>>>>my
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>MRTG
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>graphs daily and they never skip a beat. I am using 2 statics IP's
>>>>>>for
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>each
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>client. So I am not using DHCP or subnetting. Im just wondering if
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>DHCP or
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>subnetting is where the bugs lie??
>>>>>>Superior Wireless
>>>>>>New Orleans,La.
>>>>>>www.superior1.com
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: "Stuart Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:32 PM
>>>>>>Subject: RE: [smartBridges] We've just about had it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>They do respond and not in a sales position. We have had bad
>>>>>>>units,
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>we
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>send them back. Otherwise, they are another tool in the toolbox,
>>>>>>and
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>seem to work well for the price. Use something else if you don't
>>>>>>like
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>them,
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>we do.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>>>>>>>From: "David Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:37:23 -0600
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have to agree that rereliabilty is important on the other hand
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>think
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>they have earned every bit of the "manufacture of the year" I
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>don't
>>>>>knwo
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>of
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>any other manufacture that listens and delivers as well as
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>Smartbridges.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>They have some bugs but as you can see from this list they
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>dedicated to
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>finding and quickly resolving them.
>>>>>>>>As for phone support Smartbridges does have a hotline for
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>emergencies.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>They
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>took my call at 4:00 am their time. You can't get much better
>>>>>>>>than
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>that.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>I
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>know lots of companies that only have 8-5 support and no great
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>forum
>>>>>like
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>David
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sam
>>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:36 PM
>>>>>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>>Subject: RE: [smartBridges] We've just about had it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Shawn Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I keep saying it... STOP the new features, and START getting
>>>>>>>>>us
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>some
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>stable
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>stuff. I could care less if it can jump over the moon and
>>>>>>>>>cook
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>me
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>breakfast, lunch, and dinner... if I have to
>>>>>>>>>reset/replace/re-config/touch/look/whatever to the unit more than
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>once
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>every
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>few months... the TCO AND LOSS OF CUSTOMERS get's to be too
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>high...
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have to second Shawn's comments. When I first started using SB
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>equipment
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I was thoroughly amazed and impressed with how well it worked.
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>Since
>>>>>that
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>time (last October) I have seen the quality slowly degrade to
>>>>>>>>where
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>I
>>>>>am
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>afraid to deploy anything from SB. And when I do, I put it up,
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>cross my
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>fingers, knock on wood, and pray it doesn't fail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Please. Heed Shawn's request. Get back to the basics, stop
>>>>>>>>trying
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>to
>>>>>be
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>all things to everyone and trying to add in each new feature
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>is
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>requested, and make your product the tremendous success that it
>>>>>>>>was
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>in
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>beginning. It's admirable that you want to do what your
>>>>>>>>customers
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>want
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>with regards to new features, but not at the expense of
>>>>>>>>reliability
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>performance....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>...and our customers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sam
>>>>>>>>
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