Yes, no amps, max power on a APPO to a Maxrad WISP 90 sector though thick forest.  That goes to a ABI inside the house with a stock antenna. 
 
Dennis
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Email
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Coverage areas

Dennis
 
About Trees
 
Are you saying you are getting penetration with just an antenna and no amps
I know a lot of guys are using amps
I would really like to see sB go to a 100MW (20dB) radio, that would help some
We have a tremendous tree problem here in east Texas
 
thanks
Joe K
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 2:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Coverage areas

Bill,
 
Thanks for the info. 
 
Just a FYI, wiith a 14db Sector from Maxrad I shot though dense trees (not above but though) for 1/4 of a mile and still could penitrate the basement concrete walls.
 
The trees are mostly oaks around 50-60 foot plus heavy coverage.  You can see about 30 feet into the woods from this location before all the leaves and such block your view.
 
Dennis
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Flood
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Coverage areas

Dennis,

RF is a funny thing....  Trees - What kind?  See 2.4 Ghz travels though things and some things it doesn't.  I have had some success shooting through red and white pines.  The density is key.  How many trees?  How do you measure or describe?  There is a figure out there that says that you lose .35 db for every meter of foliage you pass through.  I think this is just a ball park statement.  If this statement was coupled with the particular tree type found around the globe it would be a much more useful tool.  Possibly as a group (organized) we could test certain applications and then develop our own figure for sending signal through foliage, but if you think about that the outcome would be as vague as the .35 db statement above or have so many variable attached it may render it useless. 

Take this scenario.  You learn how to shoot darts at a dart board.  Soon you find yourself hitting a bulls eye each time.  Someone asks you how you do it. You reply,"I don't know, I just practised a lot.  I throw and it gets there".

You need to make tests in those areas and simply figure this one out on your own.  When on the roof you need to move around until you find the sweet spot.  Then remember if you are in an area where the leaves fall off the trees, be careful to take your positioning into account.  If you are setting up without leaves, look at the branch formations.  Look for the holes or you'll be back next spring to move that antenna.

Consider yourself lucky to have 500 homes in a 2 mile area.  Most of my repeater locations generally have 200 + cows in that same area!

The answer is time and experience!

At 12:00 AM 7/27/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Question..
 
One locaiton that I am intrested in providing service, is mostly trees.  In otherwords, everywhere around has trees other than backyards or roads.  Now, my antenna would be above these trees and I do get a good Visual coverage from Radio Mobile with a decent tower.  How does that translate to customers?
 
I have about 500 homes within 2 miles of this tower, everything from moble homes to some nice subdivisons.   But again, unless they were in the way of buliding the homes, most have tree cover.  I have heard mixed responce about the penterating power of this signal. 
 
Dennis
 

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