I'm sure you would have done it anyways. Don't you mean all the expenses will come out of you pocket? What does profit mean?
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Clark Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 11:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Looking for some advice. Not a problem Tom if your days are anywhere near as long as mine at the moment I can understand why you might have been in a bad mood. Who would start up their own company? If anyone told me how much work and hair tearing out I would have to do to get anything done I wonder if I would have ever started down this road. But hey at least I am my own boss and all my profits will go into my own pocket and not someone else's. Paul Clark _________________ UFCnet (+44) 07776 203768 (+44) 01436 679988 http://www.ufcnet.co.uk On 3 Oct 2003, at 05:03, Tom Haynes wrote: > Sorry Paul, I was in a bad mood when I started writing my reply. I was > debating even hitting the send button when my finger twitched and sent > it anyways. I did not intend to demean your intelligence or skill. By > the time I reached part 3 I had completely forgot why I was writing the > email to begin with. Please accept my apologies. My sole intent is to > help where I can and learn when I can't. > > Sincerely, > Tom Haynes > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Clark > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:49 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Looking for some advice. > > >> 1. Entirely bridged network: >> Your current configuration allows any one customer to bring down >> your whole network. Consider changing the switches to routers at sites > >> 4 >> and 5. By creating logical segments (subnets) in your network, you >> limit >> the effects of broadcasts and packet storms. > > This is indeed a very good point and something that I was considering, > as always one must balance the costs. At the moment I have no live > customers and am very much in a development and soak testing phase and > as such have to keep the costs down. I am developing a bespoke router > for use in this type of location and have been carrying out testing > using switches more as a proof of concept as opposed to anything else. > >> 2. Internet and Customers on same side of Main Router: >> Having two internet feeds and most of your customers on the same >> AP can have serious consequences. This setup hinders proper bandwidth >> management, reliability and security. Consider using 3 or 4 APs > instead >> of two at your NOC. Use the site 3 APPO to feed site 4 then add > another >> AP as a backhaul for site 1 and 2. Connect all units to the Mikrotik >> router so that all of your customers must pass through the router. > > Again I have no live customers and as such this is really a cost > reduction measure to prove the viability of the links. I had intended > to have as you suggest 3 APs at the NOC before any customers are > connected to the network. > >> 3. Asking for help and asking for advice: >> <soap box> >> At the risk of sounding too harsh, don't ask a peer group such >> general questions as "What do I do now?" if you can avoid it. Of >> course, >> we are here to help, but you should not build your network based off > of >> our advice. The best way to build a solid, scaleable network >> infrastructure is to study the technologies and research you options. >> When you can ask questions like "I would like to segment my network > and >> have decided to use a routed infrastructure, what are some options too >> look at that will also allow BW management and usage tracking?" then > we >> know your are really trying. >> </soap box> > > This was most definitely not a general question as you suggest but > merely a concluding comment after my questions inviting anyone that may > have any advice on the questions that I asked to respond. Quote: "Any > help and advice would be most welcome, I would love to avoid making any > mistakes that I will regret as my customer base grows." hardly > qualifies as a question and I do not believe that my other questions > could be grouped together in the same category as "What do I do now?". > I totally agree with your comments that people should not ask such > general questions and act solely upon the advice of others but feel it > is unwarranted for you to adopt a soap box position with no tangible > grounds for such comments. > > I have no intention of building my network based solely on others > advice but intend to utilize my own knowledge and expertise. I have a > very clear idea of exactly what I want to achieve and indeed how I > intend to achieve it. I fully intend to segment my network and to > implement bandwidth management, usage tracking, and various monitoring > and security systems that I will require to serve some of my customer > base that have such concerns, and already have these solutions under > development and testing in my lab environment prior to real world > deployment. > > I have found from experience it is often useful to ask one's peer group > questions in which you do not divulge your proposed solution in order > not to influence the answer in any way. As such the answers will then > either confirm your original plan as being not far off the mark or > alternatively identify a possible alternative that may or may not be a > better solution that may not have been considered and needs further > investigation. I would site your first two concerns as being a case in > point for this. You have confirmed in your replies that the options > that I have been considering in both cases are indeed worth doing and > in the absence of any further replies to the contrary would appear to > be the way to proceed so after further investigation and testing my > original plan will stand. > > My principle questions however remain unanswered: > > Is their any advantage to putting the backbone nodes into access point >>> client bridge mode as opposed to wireless bridge mode? > > What should the throughput be in KBytes between nodes assuming clear > LOS, good RSSI/Link Qual etc? I am fairly sure that I am not getting > the throughput that I should be and wanted to get some opinions. > > What Linux based radius server would you guys recommend for use with > the Mikrotik box and PPPoE? I was thinking freeradius but would be > interested in any opinions from people that have done this before. > > I would appreciate comments based on others experiences specifically > with smartbridges equipment. This is the smartbridges mailing list > after all. :-) > > Paul Clark > _________________ > UFCnet > (+44) 07776 203768 > (+44) 01436 679988 > http://www.ufcnet.co.uk > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by UFCnet, and is > believed to be clean. > > ----------ANNOUNCEMENT---------- > Don't forget to register for WISPCON IV > http://www.wispcon.info/us/wispcon-iv/wispcon-iv.htm > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > smartBridges <yournickname> > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > smartBridges) > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > > ----------ANNOUNCEMENT---------- > Don't forget to register for WISPCON IV > http://www.wispcon.info/us/wispcon-iv/wispcon-iv.htm > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > smartBridges <yournickname> > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > smartBridges) > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by UFCnet, and is > believed to be clean. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by UFCnet, and is believed to be clean. ----------ANNOUNCEMENT---------- Don't forget to register for WISPCON IV http://www.wispcon.info/us/wispcon-iv/wispcon-iv.htm The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org ----------ANNOUNCEMENT---------- Don't forget to register for WISPCON IV http://www.wispcon.info/us/wispcon-iv/wispcon-iv.htm The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org
