Thanks Lars,
I can currently disconnect users by removing their MAC address from the mac
authorization table of the airPoint, and re-entering it to bring them back
online. I have bandwidth shaping with dummynet right now, so everything but
non TCP traffic is rate limited.

Thanks,
Roger

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lars Gaarden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [smartBridges] sB Network Issue


> Roger Howard wrote:
> > So then PPPoE will not help stop a virus on a single machine from taking
> > down an access point? Can anyone confirm, as there are opinions both
ways?
>
> Depends on the virus.
>
> PPPoE + bandwidth control makes sure that a customer can't push more than
> his share of bandwidth *through the PPPoE Server*.
>
> Most network traffic is TCP, and TCP will automatically scale back the
> speed of a TCP session if it exceeds the bandwidth available.
>
> So if we are talking about a virus that tries to spew copies of itself
> through TCP connections, the bandwidth control will in most
> circumstances limit the amount of bandwidth that the virus uses.
>
> However, if we are talking about a DDoS trojan or any other application
> that spews ICMP or other traffic which does not check whether the packets
> reach their destination or are dropped at the PPPoE Server, then PPPoE
> doesn't help - the packets are dropped at the PPPoE Server, but the
> wireless segment is swamped by the traffic. As discussed above, the
> PPPoE Server has no way of telling the PPPoE client that it exceeds its
> bandwidth limit[1]. :-/
>
> One advantage of PPPoE, though, is that it is easy to disconnect a
> customer if you discover that he has been infected (with Linux or
> *BSD you might even do this automagically with a bit of scripting).
>
> Anyway. The only bullet proof way of making sure that a single client
> can't swamp the AP with traffic is to have some kind of bandwidth
> control on the CPE side.
>
> [1] I seem to recall that I've read something about a PPP extention
> that adds this capability, but I am not aware of any wide spread
> use of it nor which servers/clients that might support it.
>
> -- 
> LarsG
>
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