Scott, A bit closer. All this talk of ovens was on the wrong track. In fact the airPoint had not crash. It had just kicked everybody off. It happened again today when I was running simpleNMS again. I closed simpleNMS before I got booted and went to simpleMonitor to airPoint. Clients list showed me I only had half the clients with 3 popping up and vanishing. This makes me think that the memory had been used up in the APPO. As soon as I did a software reset from simpleMonitor they all came back on line again. I shall be very carefull using simpleNMS in future.
See my message "simpleNMS serial killer" Regards, Wayland. ----- Original Message ----- From: "shoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor? > A AP should not crash with "noise" a aB CPE device will screw up, but an > AP? I don't "accept" this... there is something else going on.. > > Scott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Wayland Sothcott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:59:15 -0000 > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor? > > > Austin, > > > > Now you're talking. That sounds like a good tool to use. > > > > However so far no one has come up with a convincing reason to excuse an > > APPO > > locking up due to noise. > > > > Why would it require a reboot? Everyone seems to accept that a bit of > > unexpected noise would crash one and require a site visit. I don't > > accept > > this. > > > > I don't care how noisy it is, unless the device actually burns out why > > can''t it reset itself? > > > > Regards, > > Wayland. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Austin H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 3:02 PM > > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor? > > > > > > > Late response, but I wanted to chime in. You don't even need a > > spectrum > > > analyzer, use stumbler and any 11b device in a laptop, watch the > > noise > > > floor/disassociation. > > > > > > Ive seen it happen when people accross the street use their > > microwave. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wayland Sothcott > > > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 4:46 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor? > > > > > > > > > I am suprized that an oven would affect specific channels. I am also > > > suprized that it would crash the AP. This makes no sence to me. > > Please > > > explain your reasons (logic or experiences etc) for saying this > > happens. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Wayland. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:21 AM > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor? > > > > > > > > > > It would have to have the same or even less leakage than a 2.4 GHz > > radio - > > > > which does not cook you. I worked for a company that used wireless > > > devices > > > > in the warehouse. The microwaves in the corporate location caused > > > wireless > > > > issues - really. 700 watt microwave leaking out 100mW would not be > > much > > > of > > > > a surprise to me. It is fixable by putting those AP's nearby top a > > > > different channel. The device almost always will not interfere > > with > > > > channels 1, 6, and 11. It is will with 1 of the 3. > > > > > > > > Didn't your mother ever tell you not to stand near the microwave > > while > > it > > > > was on? That is a well known rule actually. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Curt Perrymman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 10:27 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor? > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a microwave is leaking badly enough to cause an AP to crash as > > you > > > > > describe, you've got bigger problems than an AP going down - > > you're > > > being > > > > > cooked! There are pretty strict standards regarding microwave > > leakage > > > > that > > > > > make it highly unlikely that a microwave would cause this unless > > the > > AP > > > is > > > > > located in the kitchen immediately adjacent to the microwave. > > > > > > > > > > At 04:05 PM 11/21/2003 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > >David, > > > > > > > > > > > >Unfortunately no Mac Donnals near by. It was the whole AP which > > went > > > > down! > > > > > >I am concerned that a Microwave oven could affect it. Surely > > there > > must > > > > be > > > > > >something wrong with it if it can crash an AP? I have been told > > that > > > some > > > > > >people can pick up Radio 4 on their fillings. > > > > > > > > > > > >Wayland. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "David Moss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:35 PM > > > > > >Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO Outdoor? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it was a nearby MacDonalds having the MacAttack?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Microwave Ovens use the 2.4ghz range to cook food in them - > > > therefore > > > > it > > > > > >is > > > > > > > possible that a microwave can cause interference with Mr > > customer > > > > surfing > > > > > > > the readers digest website. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Wayland Sothcott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:20 PM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO > > Outdoor? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have to be kidding me massively! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:21 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO > > Outdoor? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean that as it is definitley not the case or do > > you > > mean > > > > it as > > > > > > > > "you > > > > > > > > > have to be kidding me?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Wayland Sothcott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:15 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO > > Outdoor? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surely not! > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 12:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO > > > Outdoor? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If is starts around the lunch hour is it possible > > that > > their > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > microwave > > > > > > > > > > > that gets used around that time that is interfering? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Wayland Sothcott" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 6:00 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [smartBridges] MAC ATTACK on airPoint PRO > > Outdoor? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nightmare for all WISPs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whilst monitoring with Simple NMS all my clients > > dropped > > > > off. > > > > > >The > > > > > > > > > bottom > > > > > > > > > > > > screen went red, except for my own locally > > connected > > > > airBridge. > > > > > >My > > > > > > > > > > > airBridge > > > > > > > > > > > > kept associating and disassociating. The APPO has > > been > > > > working > > > > > > > > > > unattended > > > > > > > > > > > > for months. Now two days in a row it has broken at > > 11am > > > > whilst I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > monitoring with Simple NMS. The quick fix was to > > gain > > > access > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > building > > > > > > > > > > > > and power cycle the device from the mains plug. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could this be some sort of attack? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Wayland. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > > > > > > > > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body > > type > > > > subscribe > > > > > > > > > > > smartBridges <yournickname> > > > > > > > > > > > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body > > type > > > > > > > unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > smartBridges) > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > > > > > > > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body > 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