On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 03:39:35 +0100 Luca Capello <l...@pca.it> said: > Hi there! > > I cc:ed the pkg-e-devel mailing list since they maintains E17's > packages. Please keep at least me cc:ed, TIA. > > If you follow the pkg-fso-maint mailing list, you should probably > already know that I have installed E17 on a 512MB microSD, thus here my > feedbacks. > > > E17 requires too much space (8.5MB) compared to Matchbox (m-w-m + m-kbd > need 568kB), because of the e17 package itself (4.2MB) and the e17-data > package (4.3MB). Together with its dependencies, E17 requires 14.4MB:
e isn't going to be small. but it does pretty much include everything you need to run stuff, manage it, configure it, enter text, etc. etc. so it's your baseline gui. matchbox+matchbox-kbd only do a fraction of that. you of course can separate out all the modules and only package up those you want etc. there's a lot of modules. > ===== > debian-gta02:~# apt-get install e17 > [...] > The following NEW packages will be installed: > ca-certificates e17 e17-data libcurl3 libecore-con0 libecore-file0 > libecore-ipc0 libedje-bin libefreet0 libembryo-bin libfam0 libidn11 > libldap-2.4-2 libsasl2-2 libssh2-1 openssl > [...] > After this operation, 14.4MB of additional disk space will be used. > [...] libfam seems wrong. libidn11 too - it's not used directly by efl. libldap, libsasl, libssh seem just spuriously wrong. libcurl and openssl are entirely optional for efl. ca-certificates is probably a result of 1 or more of these spurious deps. > debian-gta02:~# apt-get install matchbox-window-manager \ > openmoko-panel-plugin trayer > [...] > The following NEW packages will be installed: > libfakekey0 libmatchbox1 libnotify1 libstartup-notification0 > libxsettings-client0 libxtst6 matchbox-keyboard > matchbox-window-manager openmoko-panel-plugin python-gtk2 > python-notify python-numeric trayer > [...] > After this operation, 8262kB of additional disk space will be used. > [...] > > debian-gta02:~# > ====== > > FYI, I have already started to think about a way to reduce E17 size and > I will come back to it after FOSDEM. 1. use something up to date from svn helps 2. dont build every possible feature in :) > Now, the list of bugs I reported to the Debian BTS: I decided to > directly report them because scientifically speaking we have a positive > control (something to test against), which is the FSO-MS5 image, to > which Debian should resemble the most. > > - (pending) duplicated documentation > http://bugs.debian.org/513850 > > - (pending) there are no dicts/keyboards > http://bugs.debian.org/513854 > > - no icons on the desktop, thus no way to start an application > http://bugs.debian.org/514018 > > - keyboards are not working > http://bugs.debian.org/514021 sounds to me like maybe ecore didnt build xtest support in as matchbox sucked it in as a dep - e didn't. > - there is no language choice (but this is the same on FSO-MS5), because > the default Debian installation does not install the locale package. > However, some locales have no icons associated to it (e.g. fr_CH), > thus they cannot be chosen from the wizard, but only in the > preferences panel > http://bugs.debian.org/514182 e only offers language choice in its wizard for languages e has translations for. icons are only offered for these as a result :) > - the top shelf gadgets are not clickable, but in netbook profile they > work as expected (on FSO they works as well) > http://bugs.debian.org/514185 works for me... default out of the box. as above - try something recent. > - some preferences windows are too wide (the same on FSO) > http://bugs.debian.org/514189 known. unlikely to get all fixed any time soon - so you need to live with it until all the dialogs get some squeezing - there's a LOT of them. > - when changing keyboard model or dict, the window has scrollbars > (vertical left and horizontal bottom, not present in FSO) > http://bugs.debian.org/514191 again - up to date... :) > Finally, some notes: > > - there is only one application menu, "Enlightenment (Applications)", > because the default Debian installation does not install the menu and > menu-xdg packages, which are required to generate the debian-menu.menu > > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-fso-maint/2009-February/000510.html > http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_and_Efreet#Debian.2FUbuntu yup. thats how it should be :) or offer more than one if you please. :) that is considered something the os should provide for wm's/desktops etc. etc. > - the mouse cursor is shown by default, with Illume this should not be > the case (and FSO hides the cursor by default) all the kdrive xservers build with a -hide-cursor option. the theme can be changed to have a blank cursor - but this doesnt remove it for gtk and qt and the 1001 apps out there that set cursors themselves. i suggest you look att eh x solution of just removing the cursor. > - the default profile, at least on the FreeRunner, should be Illume you are free to package as many or few profiles as u like :) > - there is no 'logout' button, but I guess this is because we do not > use the E17 Xsession file yet if u press "X" in the shelf while looking at the home screen you get the syscon panel - and there you won't see a logout - the illume profile anyway won't have it - it will have suspend, power off and lock. no logout. if you want a desktop-style wm with a logout - there is a standard profile :) you are free to create your own config profiles of course... that's why they exist. there's enough examples of them from upstream :) > - a button to close the virtual keyboard without passing through the > Illume panel top would be nice the problem is space. every control like this eats up a lot of space. as such in theory applications should handle this via hints - the qwerty controls are there as a backup when apps get it wrong. i suggest for gtk apps you install the matchbox immodule from the mb kbd - then they can auto-request the kbd. for qt - you'l need to see om's qt/qtopia changes. for other stuff... it will need patching per toolkit or app (except some efl apps that already do this). > Because of FOSDEM, I will take a break from the problems above, so do > not worry if you will not receive follow-ups ;-) > > Thx, bye, > Gismo / Luca > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com _______________________________________________ Smartphones-userland mailing list Smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org http://lists.linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/smartphones-userland
