So am I , it's been going on for years . GCHQ used to monitor voice communications predominately but that changed with he dawn of the internet...
People believe what they are told or not told to a certain extent and I was once told ' if you can imagine it then someone is working on it as it might pose or solve a national security threat ' Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:19, Sam - MacAmbulance <[email protected]> wrote: > > If anything impressed at the level of technical achievement ;) > > I'm only really surprised that people are surprised this was happening at > this scale. > > -- > MacAmbulance > Sam Mullen > 07747778022 > [email protected] > >> On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:15, Ray Packham <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Agreed Sam and from experience even the 0.0001 % that is given to the human >> intel specialist is usually crap ;-). There is just to much data that it's >> going to take some very sophisticated code to to work out all the >> connections and links between various individuals who use lets say a visa >> card to pay for tools at at BQ and then buy train tickets using the same >> card heading for London, but then email whilst on the train using the 3G >> network which is intercepted and linked to the credit cards indicating that >> a trip to London is taking place by a known target. >> >> This maybe fantasy it may not be, but I personally think its not far from >> being a reality, possibly a decade away that the NSA/GCHQ or some agency >> will develop a system that can monitor and make realtime links to specific >> known targets, after a few more years we may find that all links generated >> by email and net traffic on known monitored servers can be traced and >> tracked along with being linked for intelligence purposes all in real time. >> >> >> >> we live in interesting times if not scary times. >> >> >> >> >>> On 27 Sep 2013, at 20:41, Sam - MacAmbulance <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Exactly, no matter how hard you try, online communication can and will be >>> intercepted, but the chances of an actual human reading them are absolutely >>> tiny. I'd reckon of the data collected by Tempora, 90% is porn, then if the >>> 10% that isn't, 0.0001% is 'interesting' to the authorities, then that data >>> is looked at by a person. >>> >>> -- >>> MacAmbulance >>> Sam Mullen >>> 07747778022 >>> [email protected] >>> >>>> On 27 Sep 2013, at 20:29, Ray Packham <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> HI >>>> >>>> That is true but it makes an amusing video to watch. The way we deal with >>>> secure traffic is to not put anything on the NET, its the only way. I >>>> once worked on a Tempest proofing project for a Navy , stopping all EMF >>>> signals from exiting their building via CRT screens and also making their >>>> network secure, that was an interesting job, ahh the good old days when >>>> you knew who your enemies were, the Russians and the Warsaw Pact ;-) >>>> >>>> Anyhow every file can have a hash that is unique and there are tables of >>>> hashes for images and documents etc, each file has its own header these >>>> headers again are readable and just one way that net traffic is scanned . >>>> There are other methods that GCHQ and other agencies use such as deep >>>> packet sniffing etc ( and I don't mean taking in the heady atmosphere of a >>>> Weeetabix box by the way , for those that don't know) but I hope you get >>>> the general gist, hence my tongue in cheek comment 'maybe' as once the >>>> fonts are known its easy to beat. >>>> >>>> Just think of numerous databases that email and internet traffic etc are >>>> all scanned and filtered against , the fonts once known become breakable >>>> at some point...simples ;-) >>>> >>>> Regards Ray >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 27 Sep 2013, at 19:21, Tony Crooks <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 27 Sep 2013, at 19:06, Ray Packham <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> HI all >>>>>> for those worried Tabout privacy here is a set of fonts that apparently >>>>>> cannot be read by OCR , Ive not tested it but presume it will work for a >>>>>> limited period in conjunction with other tools, maybe ;-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Of course, the NSA etc., would be looking at the machine codes not the >>>>> character images so not sure how private these fonts would be in >>>>> practice. 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