Very interesting Toby and all. š¼ Atmos/Spatial should sound great on headphones. We have two ears and no matter how many speakers and channels in your lounge they go into our brain via two ears and contain the information for up, down, back, front, a little bit behind and every other nuance. Years after we first had binaural/dummy head recordings Iām not sure why weāve not been able to enjoy this for years, at least as an option as it obviously wouldnāt work that well on speakers. Rather like 3D/Stereoscopic pictures which Iāve loved since I was a kid. A young kid, anyway!
Iāll check out Blondie then ā¦ Virginia, I donāt know if you were aware but Apple bought up a company a while ago that specialised in streaming (I think!) classical music which treats composers, movements, acts, and all the rest better than Apple do at present so itās expected that it will find its way into Apple Music - maybe in iOS 16. Thereās an interesting article on MacStories.net talking about Last.fm (which I knew nothing about until a few days ago) along with multiple alternative apps that focus on different musical areas from Appleās own app, if such things take your fancy. Cheers, Stephen You meet your destiny on the road you take to avoid it. ~ Carl Jung > On 5 Jan 2022, at 21:14, Toby Leighton <[email protected]> wrote: > > ļ»æ > Once tunes are showing as āmatchedā in Apple Music (Which it does through > audio analysis fingerprinting voodoo) whatever the original format was it > then does an incredibly basic decision of if the bitrate was 128kbps or less > it will swap it with their version. I have loads of ripped cds that I > actually went back through and converted on batch away from ALAC into AIF > uncompressed (because long reasons) so those tracks when opened on another > computer like my work PC will download or stream as either the lossless DRM > /256kbps apple format (if they match with the library) OR a 256kbps AAC file > that I guess Apple encode themselves when you uploaded from the original > computer. So in those cases where I get an album in a lossless format on > Bandcamp from someone who isnāt in Appleās library it will switch it down for > a worse file (same file, lower bitrate but sounds fine to me) > personally at least itās never taken one version of a song and given me back > a completely different version of that song. Not saying it couldnāt happen > though, and Iām careful to keep my originals backed up. > > Itās all such a rabbit hole! But at least I feel like Iāve wrangled control > of my library and Apple Music compliments it with the sync convenience and > the benefit of more things to listen to on a whim. > > A different minefield/bugbear Iāve come across is where Iāve purchased CDs > and records lots of labels and shops will give you a download of a 320kbps > MP3 when you place the order. Having analysed some with the utility SPEK > Iāve seen these officially purchased files have a hard 20khz cutoff, whereas > the Apple Music matched version of the same file when analysed has the full > dynamic range, but āonlyā at 256kbps, or lossless (but I canāt analyse those > lossless due to the drm). In those cases Iād rather have apples version than > the one I bought.. All this has somehow taught me or conditioned me to just > listen and enjoy the music and try not to dwell too much on the technicals. > > When I first subscribed on a trial I fully intended to cancel and go onto the > next trial of soundcloud, then the next trial of spotify, then the next trial > of YouTube, then the next trial of amazon, and so on for ever. But at some > point the Apple offering just clicked for me and the recent addition of > lossless sealed the deal. > > Iāve only listened to apples ATMOS files through ordinary headphones so Iāll > reserve judgement, however pre-Apple Iāve listened to surround mixes from a > few producers downmixed to āordinaryā 5.1 home cinema DTS and enjoyed the > clarity and spacing, but I have to reserve judgement until I get a real atmos > system to listen to. There are producers who I follow who I know have > created atmos versions of some of their albums but they arenāt available on > Apple, also going back in time there are the 70s quadrophonic mixes of Pink > Floyd and their SACD 5.1 mixes which could be Atmos mastered but arenāt > (yet?). It could be a gimmick like 3D TVs and cinema or it could become > standard practice. Will definitely check out Moby Reprise though at least > with headphones for now. Interestingly it doesnāt come up for me in Apples > Atmos playlists yet there it is when I go directly searching for Moby. Did > The Doors really master āRiders on The Stormā with Surround in mind back in > 1974? Or Blondie Hanging on the telephone and Call me? It reminds me of 3D > cinema post Avatar when lots of movies were in 3D for the sake of it, > digitally upscaled to 3D. Iām sure the difference comes through in the > finished article when it was the producers intention to be listened to in > surround from the outset rather than tagging on to the latest fad or some > posthumous studio magic. > > > > >> On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 at 19:21, 'Stephen Watson' via Sussex Mac User Group >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> When I signed up to AM it was frustrating to find that there were albums >> with missing tracks which were available to buy on iTunes but not to stream >> on AM! Grrrrr. That doesnāt seem to be much of an issue now, itās usually >> that the entire album is missing even if itās in iTunes. >> >> Also, thanks for the info about compilations - I didnāt realise that when >> playing one of those tracks from, say, Ricochet that it pulled the correct >> artwork from the collection. A boxed set, yes. š >> >> For all its foibles, I find it works really well nearly all the time but is >> very frustrating if you go to play an album thatās vanished, but that hasnāt >> happened in ages now. Whew! >> >> Happy listening one and all. >> Stephen >> >> P.S. Mobyās Spatial Audio/Atmos album where he covers his own songs(!) is >> the only album Iāve heard which is actually better in Atmos, the others Iāve >> heard sound rather muffled and muddy. What have been othersā experience and >> any recommendations? >> >> You meet your destiny on the road you take to avoid it. ~ Carl Jung >> >>>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 11:25, 'Jason Davies' via Sussex Mac User Group >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>> ļ»æ >> >>> Ah, this is useful information, about the DRM on lossless. I did suspect >>> there would be surprises. ANd the distinction between iTunes store and >>> Apple Music is one I'd missed - thanks. >>> >>> As for loss of tracks, I've definitely lost things by replacement; I have >>> plenty of AAC versions (192) of something I know I ripped as apple lossless >>> from a Cd or vinyl that has invisibly swapped itself out. More frustrating >>> (because AAC is pretty good) is when stuff simply vanishes altogether. I >>> verified this happened with about 5% of my songs when I migrated from my >>> old machine (which is still sitting there under the desk so not lost >>> forever). >>> >>> It's the time and effort of curating it that drives me mad, working out >>> which ones have gone astray or been duplicated (one lossless, one AAC >>> <scream>). >>> >>> Thanks everyone for chipping in. I'll give it a go after double-checking my >>> back-up strategy! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> J >>> >>> On 5 Jan 2022, at 0:38, Toby Leighton wrote: >>> >>> Apple Music plan includes iTunes Match, so basically everything will behave >>> for you exactly as it already does! >>> Apple Music and the ITunes store are actually two separate things, so some >>> music isn't available in apple music plan, but is available to buy in >>> itunes, I think both vary by region too, so you may be able to use a VPN or >>> proxy to make yourself appear to be in a different country and have more >>> music available (never tried) >>> >>> I've read horror stories of people having their precious rare bootlegs >>> replaced with studio versions, or Rap/Hiphop with explicit lyrics being >>> replaced with clean versions, but I've never experienced this myself or >>> know any people in real life this has happened to. I've annoyingly >>> purchased music on places like bandcamp and had say 9/10 songs match and 1 >>> be persistent and refuse to match, so in my experience the audio detection >>> algorithm is pretty strict. the odd unmatched song is not a huge deal but I >>> like my library to be orderly so it sometimes bugs me, but I can't hear the >>> difference which is the really important thing. >>> >>> Another thing that isn't obvious and may affect playback on other devices >>> or software, is that the traditional (256kbps) matched audio is DRM free, >>> but the new lossless audio + dolby formats are never DRM free, even when >>> matched to music you already own. >>> >>> Also once or twice I've stopped my apple music subscription, waited a few >>> months and got the 3 months for the price of 1 offer again. your library >>> doesn't vanish in a puff of smoke if you cancel the subscription, the apple >>> music songs are all there but greyed unplayable out because you don't have >>> the decryption keys any more. I know a lot of people get scared that >>> everything could go, and thinking back to the days of the hard disk based >>> ipod, where if you connect it to someone else computer you are one >>> accidental misclick away from losing everything it is certainly a valid >>> concern! I do make regular backups of my whole library to an external hard >>> drive just in case. >>> >>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 23:02, 'Stephen Watson' via Sussex Mac User Group >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi Jason, >>>> >>>> I canāt vouch for uploading items which may have the same name by the same >>>> artist that is on Apple Music already as the only ones I have recorded and >>>> uploaded were because they did not exist on AM. If you keep backups of all >>>> your bootlegs (as it sounds as though you do) then you should be fine if >>>> it goes pear-shaped. >>>> >>>> You can definitely upload your own recordings and then stream them back >>>> down, for example my copy of āYouāve got to be a hustler if you want to >>>> get on!ā by Sue Wilkinson is inexplicably not in the AM catalogue but I >>>> can play it on all my devices after recording the 7ā vinyl myself and then >>>> uploading it to AM. š >>>> >>>> One of my albums was Ricochet & I had it on vinyl since release. Joined up >>>> to AM and Ricochet was there so I added it to my library. When I went to >>>> play it next it said it was no longer available, or similar! It turned out >>>> that the Album had been removed as an individual album, but had been >>>> subsumed into āTangerine Dream - the Virgin Years 1970 to 1978ā, or >>>> something like that. Ricochet has now become two tracks on a ācompilation >>>> albumā. So, I created a playlist called Ricochet, added just those two >>>> tracks that comprise Ricochet taken from the compilation and set the >>>> playlistās artwork to the Ricochet cover. Longwinded but I effectively >>>> re-created the album. I have a āvirtual albumsā folder which contains >>>> several playlists like this. Joan Armatradingās āShow Some Emotionā album >>>> is not in the AM catalogue(!) but all but one of its tracks are present >>>> scattered across about 3 compilation albums so Iāve made another virtual >>>> album of that. Itās very tedious and is the price of streaming ā¦ >>>> >>>> Apart from this silliness, which I suspect is out of Appleās hands and in >>>> those of the labels and copyright holders, Iāve loved it - pretty much >>>> every piece of music Iāve ever had at home (bar a few tracks) I can now >>>> listen to when I want in the car or train or bus. Thatās worth the >>>> annoyances. And the fee ā¦ plus of course, I can add anything interesting >>>> that I hear. >>>> >>>> You may like to try out the āAlbumsā app. It doesnāt understand my >>>> āvirtual albumsā as Appleās app does, but itās got some brilliant features >>>> and treats your music like a collection of ā¦ albums which is how Iāve >>>> always seen my collection. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Stephen >>>> >>>> You meet your destiny on the road you take to avoid it. ~ Carl Jung >>>> >>>>> On 3 Jan 2022, at 21:42, 'Jason Davies' via Sussex Mac User Group >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ļ»æ >>>>> This is useful, thanks. I didn't realise you could upload (you can with >>>>> Match, I thought Apple Music just gave you free access to their >>>>> catalogue). My issue is that I have a. ridiculous number of live >>>>> bootlegs, sometimes the same gig but different recordings and so on, and >>>>> I worried they would get overwritten/'upgraded'. I would be lucky to find >>>>> them again, you can't buy them anywhere. >>>>> >>>>> Most of mine was also digitised the hard way from vinyl or cassette years >>>>> ago, so it gets weird when the iTunes track has a slightly different >>>>> title (eg 'German remix version'). >>>>> >>>>> I didn't quite understand the Tangerine Dream story (glances over at my >>>>> copy of Ricochet). Do you mean you had it beforehand and then it got >>>>> 'reorganised'? >>>>> >>>>> I have definitely had iTunes/Music lose stuff, I suspect when I move >>>>> everything to a new computer. Entire albums disappear, or odd songs. I >>>>> have a separate non-destructive back-up folder that basically copies >>>>> anything that's ever in my Music folder. I go into it regularly, >>>>> muttering 'I'm sure I had this...'. 70% of the time I find it there (this >>>>> also happened recently with TV/Films when I finally moved everything over >>>>> from my old computer); thus the paranoia. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for this. It does sound like my library is (fairly) safe;) >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> On 3 Jan 2022, at 19:54, 'Stephen Watson' via Sussex Mac User Group wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Jason, >>>>> >>>>> Iāve tried to replicate, as closely as I can, my entire CD and vinyl >>>>> collection on Apple Music and have mostly done it (despite >>>>> Appleās/licenceeās efforts to thwart me š). >>>>> >>>>> Firstly, Iāve never had match or the equivalent to canāt speak for that. >>>>> >>>>> I have my entire music library downloaded onto my iPhone, but only my >>>>> library on my iPad and iMac, meaning that I can play anything on my >>>>> iPhone with no internet and I stream it on the other two. Mostly. >>>>> >>>>> The only difference is where Apple Music didnāt have the music I had >>>>> which meant I actually used Free Audacity to record the missing vinyl >>>>> onto my Mac and then uploaded it to Apple Music or bought the CD where >>>>> possible and did the same thing. You can upload your own music to the >>>>> cloud and then stream it to other devices which is what I do. >>>>> >>>>> You have to be a detective sometimes! I had three Tangerine Dreams albums >>>>> in my library when I first signed up. A month or so later I went to play >>>>> one only to find it wasnāt there š¬. What had happened was than Virgin had >>>>> put all the early TD albums on one mega-album and removed the original >>>>> albums. To get around this I then setup playlists for the āmissingā >>>>> albums which allows me to treat them as albums in their own right instead >>>>> of ātracks 3 and 4 on the Early Yearsā. I can set my own cover art too! >>>>> >>>>> There are tracks you can buy, but cannot stream and there are definitely >>>>> some weird licensing issues for Apple Music but that is the way the music >>>>> companies roll I think, but itās frustrating and never happened when I >>>>> owned the music (either physically or via iTunes). >>>>> >>>>> However, I now have 98% of all the music Iāve ever had on my phone to >>>>> take and listen to anywhere (including all my 7ā singles) and itās a >>>>> small price to pay for that. >>>>> >>>>> Happy to answer any questions if I can. >>>>> >>>>> Stephen >>>>> >>>>> You meet your destiny on the road you take to avoid it. ~ Carl Jung >>>>> >>>>>> On 3 Jan 2022, at 18:43, 'Jason Davies' via Sussex Mac User Group >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ļ»æ >>>>>> Hi folks >>>>>> >>>>>> This is one of those 'surely this is easy but no one talks about it on >>>>>> the web' questions. I have a carefully collected music collection, >>>>>> mostly lossless, often rare and hard to replace. I've had Apple Match >>>>>> for years to get stuff on all devices and I've been wondering about >>>>>> signing up for Apple Music now that it's (sometimes) lossless but can't >>>>>> pin down what happens with the following: >>>>>> >>>>>> what happens to the music on my iphone (currently nynced only to the >>>>>> Mac)? Will it still be kept on the phone or it it all 'forced' to be >>>>>> streamed? The signal on my train journey is lousy so streaming is not an >>>>>> option. >>>>>> >>>>>> what happens to the library on my Mac? Is there still such a thing as >>>>>> 'my library' I can search within? >>>>>> >>>>>> can I still buy a song? I don't plat to use it for ever, just to see if >>>>>> the 'related' introduces me to more than my (lets be honest) >>>>>> 80s-focussed collection;) >>>>>> >>>>>> Grateful for any answers from those who've taken the plunge. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Jason >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Sussex Mac User Group" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/smug/A1C0029D-5BD3-4C81-93BE-DF47E406D1A4%40me.com. >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "Sussex Mac User Group" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/smug/642B25EF-B9F6-4BAC-901D-B4E569FA0FAE%40icloud.com. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Jason >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "Sussex Mac User Group" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/smug/0DFA4717-1714-4B5A-96E3-30C0074B34B5%40me.com. >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Sussex Mac User Group" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/smug/251CE924-7E89-417A-A55F-D2AF091B4532%40icloud.com. >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Sussex Mac User Group" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/smug/CAEjhqLTqP%3DER%3DYhH1BCvawuNF10Xk6rbkuu-uUsQeB3MLF7hOQ%40mail.gmail.com. >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Sussex Mac User Group" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/smug/BAFC3F47-7B67-48C9-8550-81435043798A%40me.com. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Sussex Mac User Group" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/smug/4D601FDB-9DDC-4159-8CDE-5712498BAB3D%40icloud.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Sussex Mac User Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/smug/CAEjhqLRW_DujT4rggzkmihohSR1CV-2-DkY2Cq7TmA_mRTRy8g%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Sussex Mac User Group" group. 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