Re: [Sndbox] Pick one (immorality glamorized)

[AJ]

I am sorry I just don't see it.  If I have a fling with my secretary how is it Jen's fault I did this?  Even if we were having problems I do not see how she is to blame.  To me doing that is being selfish and giving up or taking the cowards way out. aj ----- Original Message ----- From: Jen -- To: The Sandbox Discussion List Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Sndbox] Pick one (immorality glamorized) Absolutely he could have/should have said no.  But to say the other party is free of blame doesn�t make any sense, and that is the only thing the other side has been arguing here.  Not that the man is innocent, but that he is not the only guilty party.   **** It seems to me that your side is constantly putting more than half of the blame on the female. its either the mistress' fault because she tempted him or its the wifes fault because shes mean to him. You act like a man doesnt have the ability to say no. Thta is where our problem with this begins. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles To: 'The Sandbox Discussion List' Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 11:22 AM Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Pick one (immorality glamorized) See, this is where people are faulting your logic.  You are saying, because in this one you are responding to I gave you the opportunity to clarify, that it is 100% the man�s fault, and the other person had no responsibility.  That�s just not true.  It in no way makes what he did right.  Not at all.    Absolutely he could have/should have said no.  But to say the other party is free of blame doesn�t make any sense, and that is the only thing the other side has been arguing here.  Not that the man is innocent, but that he is not the only guilty party.   Could it be, Jackie, that you have particular biases against men?  I remember when you and Jen first joined this group.  Both of you were adamant that you hated men.  Could your antipathy toward men be a factor in your thought processes?   Obviously you have a legitimate beef.  I don�t think anyone on this list would disagree that your ex-husband was scum of the earth.  But sometimes you give the impression that you hold that same opinion of men in general.  You may not intend to, but that is the way it comes across.   Charles Mims http://www.the-sandbox.org   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Sndbox] Pick one (immorality glamorized)   In a message dated 9/26/2003 2:12:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is she free and clear of blame, or does she have some responsibility in the scenario.  What you seem to be saying is that no, she does not have any responsibility in it at all.  did she hold him down and make him sleep with her?  if not then he shouldve been true to me and kept his vow. and nope i wouldnt hold her responsible.  now lets take it a step further  if I didnt sleep with him for a couple weeks and talked bad about him is it my fault he cheated with jen  or could he have said no and came to me and said jackie i dont like whats happening with us we have to fix it? ________________________________ Changes to your subscription (unsubs, nomail, digest) can be made by going to http://sandboxmail.net/mailman/listinfo/sndbox_sandboxmail.net ________________________________ Changes to your subscription (unsubs, nomail, digest) can be made by going to http://sandboxmail.net/mailman/listinfo/sndbox_sandboxmail.net

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