Almost more irritating. Now if the parent is just picking at the kid when
the kid isn't doing anything then yes that is irritating. Which is why I
still say take their little butts out of the place if they are doing
something they shouldn't be and don't go back in till they are calmed down.
Now granted that is sometimes hard if you are dining alone with your kids.
You can't just up and walk out of a place to your car with your kid unless
you want to pay your bill before you do that. That has happened to me a few
times when I've been out alone with the kids.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tim Harder
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:14 AM
To: The Sandbox Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Sndbox] Your Children Are Ugly



Charles,
I know that you are a stern parent.... and a good one...
I still believe that you are lucky....

I will still say that a whiny ass parent that continually picks on
a kid verbally in public.... even though they are getting *NO*
response, is *more* irritating than the kid them self...



On Friday, October 31, 2003, at 07:00 AM, Charles wrote:

> Sure, I agree, she doesn't like kids at all.  I'm just saying that it
> is a
> valid point.  I wish all parents would listen to it.  If you can't
> make your
> children behave, don't inflict them  on the rest of us.  I know for a
> fact
> kids can sit still and quiet for a very long time.  Mine do it on a
> regular
> basis.  If they were to misbehave I'd take them in the bathroom, spank
> their
> behinds and bring them back out.  It's pretty simple.
>
> But there is nothing I hate worse than unruly children in a public
> place.  I
> blame the parents.
>
>
> Charles Mims
> http://www.the-sandbox.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Laurie
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:57 AM
> To: The Sandbox Discussion List
> Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Your Children Are Ugly
>
> This seemed to me to be more than just a behavior thing...she seemed to
> really not like kids.
>
> I always took my kids to the movies, church and out to eat. I figured
> they
> would learn how to act there by going..and being told how to act..and
> if
> they misbehaved...I dwelt with it.....
>
> Laurie
> --- Charles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Well, she does seem to be quite vitriolic, but I do agree with her, if
>> your kids aren't well behaved, don't bring them to a restaurant.  No
>> one else wants to deal with your children.  However, there is no
>> excuse for children not being able to sit quietly at a table in a
>> restaurant.  Mine have been doing it since they were infants.
>>
>> Charles Mims
>> http://www.the-sandbox.org
>> <http://www.the-sandbox.org/>
>>
>>
>>
>>   _____
>>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of Greg
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:15 AM
>> To: The Sandbox Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Sndbox] Your Children Are Ugly
>>
>>
>> With a attitude like she has, I would  bet on it.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Charles <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 'The Sandbox Discussion List'
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 6:01 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Sndbox] Your Children Are Ugly
>>
>> No kidding.  Besides, if she and her husband were doing their jobs the
>> kids would be able to sit for an hour in a restaurant and eat.  Mine
>> do.  Perhaps
>> *she* is the problem.
>>
>> Charles Mims
>> http://www.the-sandbox.org
>>
>>
>>
>>   _____
>>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Behalf Of Greg
>> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 1:39 AM
>> To: The Sandbox Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [Sndbox] Your Children Are Ugly
>>
>>
>> I get the point, but God I feel sorry for her stepkids.....this woman
>> seems to hate kids.  This paragraph I found very enlightening "
>>
>> If your little animal is so wild that he can't sit quietly in his seat
>> while in a restaurant, then you need to leave him at home.
>> My husband has two kids
>> that are too wild to sit and eat for an hour straight, so we don't
>> take them with us when we go out to eat. It really is a very simple
>> concept. "
>>
>> Notice she didn't say her kids, or her stepchildren, but "her husbands
>> kids".......I've been a stepkid, and God I feel for her stepkids. They
>> have the wicked witch for a stepmother...
>>
>> And before someone says I missed the point, notice my first
>> sentance......I got the point. But this just dripped hatred for
>> kids......
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Charles <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 'The Sandbox Discussion List'
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:24 PM
>> Subject: [Sndbox] Your Children Are Ugly
>>
>> Your Children Are Ugly
>>
>> I work in a 'family' restaurant. Apparently, since we have a multitude
>> of high chairs, people assume that our nice, sit down restaurant
>> doubles as a play place McDonald's. Very often, I can be heard musing
>> to myself, "Why isn't anyone beating that kid?"
>>
>>
>> Did I mention that we're a SIT DOWN restaurant? With carpet on the
>> floor and trendy alcoholic beverages that cost over $7? You would
>> think that our customers would come in and realize that this is not an
>> appropriate place to let your spawn crawl around on the floor under
>> the booths grinding macaroni and cheese into the carpet and howling.
>> You would think that the baby factories that come in would worry about
>> their toddlers playing tag in isles where servers are carrying heavy,
>> steaming hot plates.
>>
>>
>> They don't. And furthermore, if one of those hot plates were to fall
>> and bash in the brains of their precious little spawn, they would sue
>> us despite the fact that we are a restaurant, not a daycare.
>>
>>
>> One night, I was waiting on a table with 2 parents
>> and 2 children who were
>> actually sitting in their seats. I was considering
>> myself awfully lucky
>> until a 2-year-old from another table toddled over
>> to my table, snatched
>> some chocolate milk from one of the semi well
>> behaved kids, and then
>> proceeded to lurch on back to his parents.
>>
>>
>> The parents didn't even notice.
>>
>>
>> Obviously perturbed, I walked over to them and said
>> in a sickly sweet voice,
>> "While you were busy with your conversation, your
>> child just stole chocolate
>> milk off the table of one of my customers."
>>
>>
>> The woman doubled over laughing, "Oh my goodness!
>> Isn't that funny?
>>
>>
>> No, it's not funny. It's not cute. It's incredibly
>> rude and disrespectful.
>> Furthermore, it could have been completely prevented
>> had you been watching
>> your child like you were supposed too. I looked
>> pointedly over to my table
>> hoping that she would notice that my customers were
>> not in the least amused.
>> This woman STILL didn't get it. I wanted to dip her
>> head into a bowl of
>> battery acid.
>>
>>
>> This big group of Spanish people came into our
>> restaurant another night with
>> about 8 little animals. Oblivious, they got drunk
>> while their kids sprinted
>> though the restaurant, jumped onto random booths,
>> and even ran into the
>> kitchen and came VERY close to dipping their pudgy
>> little fingers into the
>> fryer. Repeatedly, my manager intervened and told
>> the kids that they MUST
>> stay in their seats. No dice. I spent the night
>> wondering how I could push
>> one over and hurt them badly while making it look
>> like an accident. By the
>> time the little monsters had finally left the
>> restaurant, the other paying
>> customers were so annoyed, that my manager had to
>> buy them ALL free dessert
>> to make them happy again.
>>
>>
>> I guess the point I'm trying to make is: If your
>> little animal is so wild
>> that he can't sit quietly in his seat while in a
>> restaurant, then you need
>> to leave him at home. My husband has two kids that
>> are too wild to sit and
>> eat for an hour straight, so we don't take them with
>> us when we go out to
>> eat. It really is a very simple concept.
>>
>>
>> I don't find your kids or their behavior
>> particularly cute. In fact, I think
>> your kids are hideously ugly. Your children are
>> whining, crying, rude,
>> nasty, deformed looking little brats that smell like
>> shit and are in serious
>> need of a good, sound beating. I would brutally
>> murder
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