Thanks, Darrell, that's the first actual mileage data I've seen. 

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(*) Please keep in mind this is for one of the systems I maintain - who has
a very wide diverse set of mail.  Your mileage may vary. 

Here are some stats gathered with DLAnalyzer on Zerohour. 

***This is only a one day analysis. 

* Triggered on 42,013 messages out of 99,842 total messages
* 40K of the 42K hits were on messages already considered spam and held.
* Out of the 42K Zerohour detections 39K of those were also detected by
Sniffer. 

* DLAnalyzer's test quality rates Zerohour as .95. (SEE EXPLANATION BELOW ON
THIS)
* Zerohour triggered on 1,020 hams.  In my visual those hams a good portion
were false positives on bulk solicited mail (Home Depot, Marta Stewart,
USDA, GOP Senators, Democratic National Committee, etc).  I can go into more
detail on this if anyone wants more info offline. 

For those that do not use DLAnalyzer it has a built in test quality report.
The test quality score is based on a -1 to 1 scale where -1 indicates HAM
and 1 indicates spam.  The closer to 1 the more likely the test is at
detecting SPAM and the closer to -1 indicates HAM. 

Other Test's Test Quality Scores
Message Sniffer - .99
invURIBL - .99
Zerohour - .95
Spamcop - .94
MxRate Black - .93
Fiveten - .92
Sorbs Spam - .71 

At this point I have not evaluated CommTouch's false positive reporting.  
That portion of my testing will come very soon. 

Are any of my results scientific - no.  Will I be dropping Message Sniffer -
Absolutly not.  Will I continue using CommTouch - yes - as I think it has a
place on my system.  Will your results and conclusions vary - absolutly. 

Darrell
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Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude, Imail,
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integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. 

Pete McNeil writes: 

> Hello Darrell,
> 
> That's fine. 
> 
> _M
> 
> Wednesday, July 26, 2006, 2:43:27 PM, you wrote: 
> 
>> If Pete doesn't mind I will post my observations in regards to the
product.
>> I run both products (CommTouch and Sniffer). 
> 
>> Darrell
>>  -------------------------------------------
>> Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude, 
>> Imail, mxGuard, and ORF.  IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, 
>> SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers.
> 
>>  
> 
>> John Shacklett writes: 
> 
>>> I'm dying to start a thread and talk about Sniffer's stance on 
>>> CommTouch, but I can resist.
>>> 
>>> Instead, I would like to point out that eight clearly spam messages 
>>> have made it through to my Inbox [or Outlook Junk Folder] so far 
>>> this week that appear to have skinned clear through Sniffer. First ones
I've seen in > >Are we undergoing a new phase or campaign that I can make
adjustments for?
>>> 
>>> 
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