To DS, or not to DS. That is the question. 'Tis nobler to try and crunch, than to woos on the front. (Or just fly combat.) Yea, the vision gained in folly shall set us on the right path to DS bliss. Veni, Vidi, Crunchi (a.k.a. - been there, done that - Vortex - soon to fly again.) -----Original Message----- From: Soaring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 12:11 AM Subject: Soaring V1 #365 >Soaring Mon, 11 Oct 1999 Volume 1 : Number 365 > >In this issue: > > Re: [RCSE] New molded Dominator! (NSP) > S.L.O.P.E. -- Smashed Lost Or Pulverized Eventually > Dave Jones > Re: No Throw Launch (no one has suggested this) > Re: [RCSE] Re: No Throw Launch (no one has suggested this) > Re: [RCSE] No Throw Launch > [RCSE] Wanted: Calypso Cobra > Ballasted wingloading > Re: [RCSE] No Throw Launch > Multiplex 3030 info > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:08:00 +0000 >From: Sal DeFrancesco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Brett Jaffee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [RCSE] New molded Dominator! (NSP) >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >The benefits are directly in relationship to your abilities and the way you fly. In the case of this new Dominator, we were able to >use a curved leading edge combined with a very accurate profile (airfoil) and surface smoohtness only possible with a molded wing. >The performance gains should be noticable, at least by the more experienced pilot. > >Brett Jaffee wrote: > >> Not being a racer myself, I've always wondered about why there were >> composite 60" planes, like the RnR Revolution. Do the benefits really >> outweigh the costs? When I fly my composite Renegade, I very rarely fly it >> without at least a bit of ballast, so I was wondering if weight is really >> the issue (though I suppose rollrate is higher because of the reduced >> weight in the wings). Also, doesn't the difficulty in repairing even a >> slightly dinged hollow wing pose problems for a racer over a conventional >> bagged CF wing? >> >> At 12:19 AM 10/10/1999 +0000, Sal DeFrancesco wrote: >> >Usually I just put it on the website under "What's New" but I have been >> >waiting a long time for this and I am excited! Got the first molded wing >> >Dominator! We have been working on this project for almost a year. The >> >"we" is Daryl Perkins for design, Jim Bonk making the CNC molds and >> >Brian McLean making the wings, fuse and tails. Oh...Me too! I lent >> >encouragement, many suggestions and the money! Actually everyone was >> >completely in on the project in all respects, with lots of discussion >> >and help. The wings look great and we will be flight testing the first >> >Moldy Dominator at the Cape this coming week. (pray for wind!). The >> >planform is solid and we expect to see great performance so will report >> >about the results when I get back! >> > >> >Once in production the Molded Dominator will be available as a complete >> >sailplane. We will also offer the wings alone as a retrofit to the >> >bagged wing Dominators. Since Brian is also the designer of the >> >Vindicator, we will also be making a version to fit the Vindicators too! >> >More to follow! >> > >> >-- >> >Sal DeFrancesco >> >Northeast Sailplane Products >> >140 Kirby Lane >> >Williston, VT. 05495 >> >802-658-9482 >> > >> >Website: http://www.nesail.com >> > >> > >> >RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" >> and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> Brett Jaffee: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> Brett's Slope and Power Home Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~jaffee >> OnTheWay Quake 2 server utility: http://www.planetquake.com/ontheway >> The Unoffical Extra 300 Home Page: http://www.bayarea.net/~nathan/extra300/ >> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-- >Sal DeFrancesco >Northeast Sailplane Products >140 Kirby Lane >Williston, VT. 05495 >802-658-9482 > >Website: http://www.nesail.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:42:37 -0700 >From: "Dieter @ ShredAir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: S.L.O.P.E. -- Smashed Lost Or Pulverized Eventually >Message-ID: <v0401170ab426d066808c@[208.137.120.26]> > >State Of The Slopehead Address: > >My fellow slope friends, > >Please check out the message and link below, then click on the picture for >more details. I hereby move that Craig Toutolmin get himself a virtual >domain server named shredplanes.com. > >For those who are offended by such hardcore carnage, please behold these >words of wisdom by my friend Don P.: "it's only a model airplane..." > >In closing, I'd like to encourage all to shred air as much as possible and >to shred ground as little as possible. > >Thank you, > >Dieter Mahlein (who's shredded all of the above...) > > >>Stay a few days a Parker and they will all seem fast and weak. Check >>out the pile and pick out a favorite plane. Vindy, Whip, Nova, >>Homebrews - all definately repairable within minutes - but its the >>inconvenience that gets to me. >> >> http://www.thehelix.com/soaring/Vindy%20Carn.html >> >> >>Craig Toutolmin >> >>RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" >>and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:58:29 EDT >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Dave Jones >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi all, > Anyone or you Dave, what is your web site domain address?? He's the QFI >guy. > Thanks > >Jerry Miller >SOSS >Medford, OR > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:08:40 -0700 >From: Jeff Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: No Throw Launch (no one has suggested this) >Message-ID: <001401bf137c$c69c0790$1ff568cf@jeffreid> > >>Have seen a lot of posts concerning to throw or not to throw on launch > >There weren't any posts about not throwing on launch, with the exception >that larger scale/semi-scale gliders are typically launched from the >ground. The original comment was: > >>Launching horizontally can probably be done with almost no throw, > >The point was to compare a horizontal throw versus an upwards throw, >not to suggest not throwing was a good idea in either case. It's just >that a bad throw on a horizontal launch won't cause the problems >that a bad throw on an excessively upwards throw would. > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:57:34 -0700 >From: "Aerofoam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: No Throw Launch (no one has suggested this) >Message-ID: <009701bf1383$9b8b3ba0$47cd56d1@computer> > >> There weren't any posts about not throwing on launch, with the exception >> that larger scale/semi-scale gliders are typically launched from the >> ground. The original comment was: >> >> >Launching horizontally can probably be done with almost no throw, > > >OK I'm jumping in the fray! >There is one point that hasn't been brought up and in my opinion >is rather important. >When launching horizontally with no throw, the plane has much more >rotational forces acting upon it from the winch line. >This is more pronounced on scale planes or pylon mounts where the >hook is significantly lower than the wing. This is also the cause >of most of the fatal flying wing-death spin on launch scenarios. >(Dont ask me how I know this). >When the plane rotates too quickly without establishing good >air flow, it creates an "accelerated" stall. The wing is completey >stalled from the sudden increase of angle of attack and it is now >being pulled sideways down the field. >Turn the whole picture sideways and it is the same as a plane >falling vertically with no airspeed. Instead of gravity, you have the >winchline. >The cure is: >Scale planes, launch from the ground or use hooks up by the wing > root and a bridal. >Pylon or contest planes, throw them! >Flying wings, hold a little bit of down stick in when you > first let go of the plane and it will zoom into the >proper > launch. (this is not for the faint of heart.) >I am currently launching a 2m delta with full pedal. I stand on the >switch and hold on to the rudder until the motor almost stalls. >The delta has enough inertia to rotate slowely, unlike a high aspect >flying wing. > > Mark Mech >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.aerofoam.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:52:21 -0700 >From: Dick Barker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [RCSE] No Throw Launch >Message-ID: <l03010d00b426edadcbda@[204.122.26.37]> > >I have thrown quite quickly after some lunches. - Sorry, wrong subject, >let me try again. > >I have had a lot of problems throwing my glider for a winch launch. > >Some of the problems are: > >* The throw goes a different direction than towards the turnaround. >* I get the line tangled around my neck. >* Pop offs caused by plane going faster than winch if I get direction right. >* How do you tension the line if you hold the plane by the wingtip? > >Guess I'll stick to hlg, >Dick Barker >Seattle, WA >- The Old Fart Glider Flyer - > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:23:26 -0400 >From: John Roe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [RCSE] Wanted: Calypso Cobra >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hey fluffer- > >If you find one let me know- >I need one more than you do... >You might need a ride somewhere >before you turn 16... > >Someone was supposed to bring >ME one that he wanted to sell at = > >Visalia, never saw it... > >John Roe >Laguna Hills, Ca >www.martialartsacademy.org > >If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. >If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:33:06 -0700 >From: Brett Jaffee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Ballasted wingloading >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >What is a typical wingloading for a 100" span racer or F3B plane that has >been ballasted up for moderate to heavy slope lift? My friend and I want >to try and fly a somewhat heavy video camera and I'm curious to see how the >loadings compare. Of course, the camera will cause lots of drag too, but >at least I can figure out if what we are trying to do is totally out of the >question in anything but a hurricane. >___________________________________________________________________________ _ >Brett Jaffee: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Brett's Slope and Power Home Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~jaffee >OnTheWay Quake 2 server utility: http://www.planetquake.com/ontheway >The Unoffical Extra 300 Home Page: http://www.bayarea.net/~nathan/extra300/ >___________________________________________________________________________ _ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:16:52 -0700 >From: "Walter Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "Dick Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [RCSE] No Throw Launch >Message-ID: <000601bf1397$14727ca0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >HLG or discus Dick! >-----Original Message----- >From: Dick Barker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Sunday, October 10, 1999 6:52 PM >Subject: Re: [RCSE] No Throw Launch > > >>I have thrown quite quickly after some lunches. - Sorry, wrong subject, >>let me try again. >> >>I have had a lot of problems throwing my glider for a winch launch. >> >>Some of the problems are: >> >>* The throw goes a different direction than towards the turnaround. >>* I get the line tangled around my neck. >>* Pop offs caused by plane going faster than winch if I get direction >right. >>* How do you tension the line if you hold the plane by the wingtip? >> >>Guess I'll stick to hlg, >>Dick Barker >>Seattle, WA >>- The Old Fart Glider Flyer - >> >> >>RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and >"unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:28:51 EDT >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Multiplex 3030 info >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Mike Shellim in the UK has a web site with lots of interesting stuff. I >found the review of the Multiplex 3030 most interesting, as were the users >comments. Take a look at: http://www.rc-soar.com/ > >Don't work for Karlton, barely know him, paid retail for my Dart, etc., etc. > >Richard Shilling > >------------------------------ > >End of Soaring V1 #365 >********************** >RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
