Sapphire 2M
Very interesting! Just so everyone knows that similar things happen, When I designed
the Sapphire 2M, 2 years before Airtronics had
a Sapphire, the name was unused as far as I knew. The design was submitted to Model
Builder magazine for publication. For some
reason, it didn't get published even though the editor was a good friend of mine(the
publisher has control of what goes in, and
when).
Several years went by and the Airtronics plane came out. When MB went under, the
plance was returned to me. I submitted it to
Flying Models, who eventually printed it. When we went into production, we called Ed
Whyte who now owned the rights to the
Airtronics Sapphire, if it was OK to use the name. He said fine as long as we used
the '2M' behind it, and if someone was looking
for the unlimited Sapphire, that we directed the purchaser his way.
I now have a Sapphir 100" in the works. I'll change the name of both of my designs
when the 100 reaches production. I have a list
of names I like. It seems the longer I stay in this hobby, the fewer new names come
up. I was going to name my next model the
"Orion", but Sal beat me to it. No biggie, I'll just come up with something else.
On the FMA thing, Trick RC is a small company, 2 brothers and mom as I understand it.
FMA is a larger company. I know that some
sales that Trick would have gotten will now go to FMA. GP did a similar thing when
they copied Andy Clanceys' Bee series. GP has a
full engineering staff, I think Andy works out of his garage. The Slow Poke was a low
blow in my opinion. gv
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> Hello once again.
> Let me enlighten those of you that are new to the exchange or did not concern
> them selves with the ramblings of slope news a few years back.
>
> First the facts:
> #1 Jerry did not invent the flying wing. I think Leonardo Devinchi did?
> #2 Jerry copied a plane called the Slingshot to make the Zagi. See NSP
> Catalog Volume 6 page 47. (Ask Sal on this one)
> #3 Jerry changed the plane and used EPE foam. Now we all use EPP. Pat Bowman
> was the first to use the miracle foam.
> #4 Jerry asked if anyone was using the name Razor a few years back. I told
> him that I had a Firminator (High speed 100oz slope rocket) and they were so
> different that I didn't care if he used the name. (I still call the airfoil
> from that plane the RAZOR air foil)
> #5 When I started to manufacture the Boomerang for my brother Frank. Jerry
> told me that I directly copied his Zagi and that I should stop making the
> plane or else!
> #6 I believed Jerry after long discussions on the phone and then gave the
> Boomerang back to Frank and told him to stop making them even when he did not
> copy the Zagi.
> #7 My Brother Frank found out the truth about Jerry copying the Slingshot and
> then Frank went on to manufacture the Boomerang.
> #8 Fred Marks did not know that Jerry had a plane called the Razor. (Again,
> long discussion with Fred Marks.)
> #9 There are a few planes out there that have motors on flying wings. Jerry
> is not the first to do this!
> #10 Jerry did is home work and took the gamble and came out with a good
> flying speed 400 flying wing. Good for Jerry!
> #11 Fred asked Jerry if he could get a high production wings made. (Details
> unknown) No response from Jerry on this matter.
> #12 Fred Marks and Associates steps up the production with an all new design
> flying wing. I told Fred that I didn't mind him calling his new flying wing
> after my RAZOR airfoil. Fred would have changed but I was to late when he
> found out the name was the same.
> #13 FMA has targeted the public with his design. The Box is a Class "A" act.
> The kit is designed for high production runs at a thousand at a time. Multi
> modeled kit to fit every need.
>
> I respect Jerry for what he has done for all of us in the Modeling industry
> but I also feel the same about Fred. It does bother me to bring up the past,
> but, with all the protest against FMA I needed to enlighten you. All of this
> has been dealt with between Jerry and myself.
> So, what do I say to all of you protesters. Lighten up! As a Manufacture
> myself, I can't follow all the list and make planes too. I name planes then
> have to go back and change or decide not to change. I gamble I win, I gamble
> I lose. Life goes on. But, I do plan to have some fun doing one thing. That
> is to FLY!
>
> Robert Cavazos
> Cavazos Sailplane Design
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> > He is refering to the name being stolen from Jerry.
> > Fred Marks knew that Jerry had a wing called the Razor,
> > he was supplying Jerry with speed controllers!
> > This isn't the first time Fred has been involved with unethical
> > business dealings. (I am an FMA dealer too!) I may give up the entire
> > line. I have talked to Fred and he seems like a nice guy, but the reality
> > of the business history says otherwise.........
> >
> > Mark Mech
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > www.aerofoam.com
>
> >Flame suit is on.
> >
> >I wouldn't buy or fly it out of respect to Jerry Tiesan(sp?) of Zagi fame.
> >Homemade ripoff's are one thing. Blatant infringement of this type (whether
> >legal or not) destroys my trust in a company.
> >
> >I had an FMA 20 speed control. It didn't like the 16oz. framing hammer it
> met
> >last month.
>
> >Flame suit is on.
> >I wouldn't buy or fly it out of respect to Jerry Tiesan(sp?) of Zagi fame.
> >Homemade ripoff's are one thing. Blatant infringement of this type (whether
> >legal or not) destroys my trust in a company.
> >I had an FMA 20 speed control. It didn't like the 16oz. framing hammer it
> met
> >last month.
> >'nuff said
> >Bring on your best blast - you know what I say has some merit.
> >Bill Gillis
> .
>
> If FMA had named a thermal duration plane the Razor, and it was not a wing,
> the problem may be difficult to address. In this case I have to side with
> Jerry.
> Personally I will not buy or recommend a plane from FMA.
> Comments???
> Chris Adams
> >
> > ARCEL stuff. If you want to give a RAZOR a try I have a couple of different
> kits in stock.
> >
> > 2 Speed 400 RTF Models $44.95 EA.
> > This kit gives you the basic, Wing, elevons, wingtips, canopy and some
> hardware and tape.
> >
> Is this the "Ready" model with no propulsion?
> >
> > 2 Speed 600 RTF Models $49.95 EA.
> > Same stuff as the 400 but the canopy is molded for the 400 motor.
> >
> molded for the 600 motor?
> Please let us know how they fly. Haven't heard anything about flight
> characteristics.
> Tom
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