This is chris setting and i am a manufacture of model aircraft myself. I have a molded vortex and my self make the composite aircraft's also but I use the balsa and glass method. Not strong as Steve's molded vortex not even close. Steve went throughout major head aches to refine his product to be by far the strongest air craft made in the industry. Just the carbon it self cost a small fortune. My vortex has had many bad landings and a few hard hits. Still looks good and still fly better then any other 60" sloper on the market thanks to master mark Allen. Steve I dont know how you could improve the model any more. If you ask me Steve the price of the vortex from a manufacturing stand point you should be getting around $500 for that kit.P.S. I cannot breakemy vortex it is to strong!!!!! Steve this guy must have some other vortex not your carbon one. If any one wants to know how well or how strong the vortex is call C.S. MODELS AT (707)837-9920 Strongest plane made VORTEX FUSE WORKS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

