I just wanted to mention that my list of great guys in soaring was not meant to be exclusive. I will even mention I left out Ray Hayes, he certainly deserves a spot up there with Karlton. My point is we need to appreciate great service when we get it, or it will go away. mi tres pesos- Kristopher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]