I love competition. However, unless you live near a big club, there's little chance to find contests with 20 people +. The idea of developing skills and enjoying the sport is the most important aspect in my opinion. If there's no way to do the competition circuit unless you are very well off, it keeps a lot of flyer's from doing any tasks. I believe it is important to "attend" some contests for the experience and "comradery", but not have to "win" some with 20+ people. Newbies are the most affected by the expense of going to far away contests. Those that have the luxury of monthly contests and/or can afford to attend contests are the ones who tend to support this aspect. I signed up a number of LSF flyers (5 or 6 at least) and all but one got stopped by the competition aspect (he moved away to a bigger city closer to the competitions and is doing very well). This part was great in the early days of larger clubs, but with the difficulty of even keeping a club going, the "level" of competition required for LSF is more than daunting. It pretty much eliminates the smaller clubs with only a few members. I think having just an "attendance" requirement of 3 or 4 contests with 10 or more over the course of the levels will provide the "experience" of contests without limiting it to just the rich and "infamous". Another tough aspect of LSF is the requirement to have LSF witnesses. It's basically impossible in my neck of the woods at this time.

I don't see any problem with LSF changing with the times, if those that are in the 121 are kept separate and recognized for their super achievement. Having two types of goals you can select for LSF (TD no contests, 21 or older AMA witnesses) and the existing one might open it up for a good many flyers. I know it would help the many hundreds that signed up but stopped because of contests. I doubt that it would be that difficult to have two different sets of task sheets within the existing LSF. Jim Deck

If someone wants to set up another achievement program, I will gladly participate and still work on my LSF V in the current format. I will also volunteer to help Tom, Larry, Bill and Steve work out the details of an additional set of goals based on the needs and resources of the smaller clubs.

IMHO
TB
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Eckel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Chip Willis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'James V. Bacus'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'RCSE'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:45 AM
Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF discussion


I would disagree. Jim may have not caught every post and didn't catch the disclaimers. It wasn't the originators intent to bash LSF. And I didn't see any bashing from the originator - perhaps a few of the other posts went that way but generally it was a pretty even discussion.


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