Long, but read it anyway.

Tension limiter discussions come and go and even the simplest concepts not only 
add a substantial cost to each winch an more potential failure points which 
could put a winch in a contest situation down for the day, where a broken line 
can usually repaired within a few minutes.
Two things that we can do to stanardise winch power, minimize line breakage and 
make winches more user friendly are:

1 ) A simple 1/2 stainless steel threaded rod installed between the FLS and the 
power from the solenoid can be adjusted to provide the resistance specs for F3B 
winches. 

Remember that the resistor rod is threaded so adjustment is simple with a pair 
of jam nuts. There are a few checking devises for F3B winch certification that 
should be available to proof the setup. AMA has one.
 
The target setup should be the same as current (pun intended) requirements for 
F3B winches for a standard and then any winch could be used for all TD comps,an 
F3B comp and possibly to run an F3J comp also. The stainless rod is also 
unaffected by the heat generated by contest loads and cannot fail during heavy 
use.

Also the cost can't be more than $10 to $12 per winch. That reads CHEAP ! I 
have done this mod thee times and and can testify to it's ease of installation 
and cost. 

2 ) The slightly lower power achieved above, and I mean slightly, allows for 
lower lb test line which will cost less and more importantly allow some stretch 
at the launch release giving the pilot a better choice on the amount of line 
tension preferred, instead of jerking the sailplane out of his hand. Also could 
be an easier launch with the more fragile wood constructed sailplanes. 

This mod has been done 3 times by yours truly with successful results. I see 
where Mr Hands Off Retriever fame, Rick Botha is supplying the SWC comp with a 
winch resistor system and that will be the start of something. We have to quit 
talking about this and get it done.

I propose that we get the Soaring Nats winches resistorised for this years 
Soaring Nats and with lighter line than the 300 lb test line that we have 
migrated to this last year.

Regards, Dave Corven. 
Also Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Marc Gellart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From what I have seen in this thread, the two real simple, straight forward 
> suggesions seem to be, lower capacity batteries like used in B, and lighter 
> line, like 200# (which the Dayton club already uses and it works just fine 
> for 
> them except they have a great grass field and and no humps in it).
> 
> Personnally I just hate downwind launches (my problem huh?) and tension 
> limiters 
> sound worse than retrievers to keep working correctly.  I am really 
> interested 
> to hear how SWC goes to see how Rick's resistor set up works, that might work 
> just fine.
> 
> I've had my arse chewed on privitaly about somethings here, heh, these are 
> just 
> ideas, right?  Still wished we all had the B winches though, then there is no 
> problem.
> 
> Marc
> 
> Have a great Christmas, and holiday with your families!
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