John, Don't let the nay sayers get to you, it is obvious that if they have time to do all these mathmatical calculations to contradict your actual tested data that they do not take much time to fly. I my self believe the Laser and now know I have a long ways to go on working on my launch technique. I have only been fortunate to fly with Joe on a couple of occasions but can tell you that I have not been around anyone that consistently throws a HLG any higher. I hear the side arm throwers do so but have not seen one in action. As more testing is done, I for one would like to hear about it, as would I am sure anyone else that is truly into HLG flying and not just talking about flying them. Thanks for your intial input on this data. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

