Ah! So there are twelve winches not launching models while the carts bring 
the lines back..... how many launches could be done in that time? My guess 
is that if your doing 8 launches in 90 seconds you could probably launch at 
least another 8 people or more in the time it takes to drive the lines back 
and hook everyone up.

At 07:37 PM 12/10/01 -0500, you wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David J. Schat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Did I read correctly earlier and the winch lines are retrieved by golf
> > cart... no regular style retrievers? If this is the case this is one area
> > where time can be gained if retrievers could be used (I don't know if they
> > could).
>
>Dave,
>
>  The simple reason for NOT using retrievers IS to speed things up and have
>LESS problems. Retrieve lines can break and tangle, then the whole show is
>shut down till the line gets fixed.
>
>  I saw this setup last year at the NATS and it WORKS. Heres how it goes.
>
>Take 12 winches and line them up in a row, placed about 15 feet apart.
>Usually launching 8 flyers in a group. The idea is to get them all in the
>air in about 90 seconds so they all can fly in pretty much the same air. I
>say pretty much because sometimes, at least here on the East coast, 90
>seconds can be the difference of skying out and making your time or missing
>that one good thermal and ending up on the ground sooner than intended.
>  The first flyer launches on command from the winchmaster, who then
>immediately instructs the second flyer to get ready. As soon as the first
>flyer is topping out the second flyer is given the word to launch. By the
>time he has tensioned the line and is starting his launch the first flyer is
>off and a 'tapper' moves in to bring the first line down to the turnaround
>at the far end of the field. And so it goes right down the line till all are
>in the air.
>  There are two or three tappers, usually, for each flight group. Their sole
>job is to move in right after the flyer has zoomed and pedal the line to the
>ground. In this way there is never any problems with retriever line breaks
>fouling up the flight line.
>  The 'extra' winches are in case a flyer breaks a line during launch. This
>is when the winchmaster immediately instruct said flyer to move to an open
>winch. All the winches are numbered and assignments for each flyer is random
>and written on the score card so there is no question on the flight line
>where each flyer is to be launching initially. If a flyer is given a
>relaunch he comes down immediately as the winchmaster scopes out an open,
>available winch.
>  The lines are all retrieved at the same time, after all the flyers are in
>the air and the next group of flyers is getting ready to be staged in the
>ready area. Usually kids of the flyers, using golf carts retrieve the lines.
>While the flyers are launching the kids are waiting at the turnarounds.
>After all are in the air they hook up two winch lines to each cart and pull
>them back to the winches. Then back they go to wait for the next group.
>  They also have a good system for impounding and staging all the Tx's. This
>also includes a system for turning in the score cards and Tx's after the
>flight. Pick up your radios with score cards, complete with clipboards, to
>ready for your flight. Then it's out to the staging area to see if everyone
>is there that is suppose to be in that group. An official checks off all
>flyers from his list.  If so, flyers are released to walk to the launching
>area. And so it goes on all day.
>
>  This all sounds a bit complex but is really one of the best systems, if you
>have the manpower and the equipment.

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