Hello... Jack Strother, are you there?  Are you going to rip
this guy a new one too?  Are you going to tell him to hug a tree
and get on with life or stay home if he doesn't like contests?  Are you 
going to call him a whiner and tell him to practice if he wants to win like 
you and all the other big boys?

I didn't think so.

Joe, thank you so much for your thoughts.


>From: "Joe & Jan Wurts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "RCSE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [RCSE] "TD" contest thoughts
>Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:58:12 -0800
>
>I've not downloaded my email in a while (work...).  From the voluminous
>posts on the subject, I see that there are quite a few opinions out there.
>Decided that I would weigh in with some more opinions.
>
>First of all, most of the "big" US thermal duration (TD) events that I
>attend are mislabeled.  They are not at all about TD, but all about
>spot landing.  In fact, look carefully at the results from the SWC,
>at least one of the top ten dropped significant time (~two minutes),
>and the winner could have dropped almost two minutes and still won.
>Skip did a heckuva job landing, and deserved the win.
>
>I've dropped out of the local TD contest scene primarily due to the strong
>emphasis on landings.  The concept of measuring your soaring skills via
>sticking the plane into the sod seems somewhat foreign to me.  The one
>major event that still measures strong soaring skills is HLG, even with
>the advent of tip launching.  So, I choose to fly more HLG than "TD"
>events.
>
>I applaud the SWC for going to a measured landing event, which is
>much better than the in/out of many other major events.  But, the SWC
>event emphasized landing accuracy in an extreme way.  One point
>per inch, one point per second of time, coupled with a two day
>add-em-up (only one landing to time), results in a contest that measures
>almost purely how you stick the plane into the ground.  This is
>especially true in that making the total time could have been done
>by just launching, putting the plane into min sink setting, and waiting
>until the time for landing occurred.
>
>I'm entirely in favor of the type of contest that Tom Copp is proposing.
>I'm hoping that this puts the emphasis on soaring skills, and not
>landing skills.  This might not be the "feel good" everyman type
>event, but should emphasize the soaring element.
>
>If the goal is landing measurement, I'd recommend using short
>bungee launches with 1 minute target times.  Gets rid of the boredom
>of waiting for time to land, and would allow for many more rounds to
>be flown.  Then, we could go with the truth in advertising and have
>the "Spring Landing Festival", Fall Landing Festival", etc.
>
>A cool way to modify the events flown recently would be to institute
>some form of triathlon into the contest.  This would at least add a
>way to measure the aircraft handling/positioning with respect to
>time.  How about a 10 point/second penalty for errors from whole
>minutes?  This is still not soaring, but at least it measures a
>different skill than precision sod hole drilling.
>
>I still enjoy the major events, but not in a competitive way.  I use
>them to see the folks socially that I have come to know over the years.
>To me, these are social events, not competitive events.  The little
>fringe events that occur around them answer my urge for
>competitive behavior (HLG golf, misc. HLG fun-fly events,
>friendly wagers on landings, etc.).  The actual event itself
>is not something to chase for me anymore.  Just do not
>have the drive anymore to endlessly practice landings, and
>my contest results reflect this.
>
>The current emphasis on precision landings leaves this pilot
>hungry for soaring events.  Fortunately for me, there is F3B,
>F3J, and F3K, although these events are far too few for my taste.
>
>Joe
>
>PS  It was really cranking on Parker this past weekend.  It was
>blowing high 40's, low 50's with gusts up to about 60 mph...
>
>
>
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