Jack,
A club with a turnout of 10 people can run an F3b contest. A "national
caliber one"...No way! But a contest, sure! There would need to be
reasonable levels of expectation, and EVERYONE will have to work. Form 5
teams of 2, or some "equal" setup. Perhaps even 2 teams of 5! Ideally you
ahve teams of 3 though...that makes it easy to talk about so here goes.
Duration. EASY!!!! You don't need tond of equipment, nor do you need
tons of stuff. 1 helper, 1 flier, 1 scorer. This works great. Having 6
winches is ideal, but having less is ok as well. Hey, you can even use
retirevers if you want! Just "adapt" the time a little to allow it to go.
Anyway, duration is man on man. 12 minute round, 10 minute duration.
Simple 1 meter circle landings. One person from any team "opens" the round
with a talking timer set to 12 minutes. Each flier launches, ideally on
separate winches, but one winch is ok as well. Add workign time if
necessary if there is a problem. BE FLEXIBLE! The helper can call for
them, and the timer...well they time! Remember, FAI rules so the time stops
when the plane stops, not when it hits the ground. Make a safety area (-100
pts if in it). Remember, being moving when the 12 minute timer goes to zero
is no landing points (I think that is the penalty...it might be more!). Mix
the groups up to allow people to fly against different people. 3 rounds
should set a good round robin and only take a bit of time.
Distance. Ok...time to work hard here. Again, 1 timer, 1 pilot, and 1
base B spotter. The timer is also the base A turn person and lap counter,
and line runner, etc. 7 minute working time the flight time of 4 minutes
starts when the plane flies from behind base A towards Base B. You have 4
minutes to fly as many laps as possible. Use portable radios to call form
Base B to base A. IT works GREAT! Be honest and flexible. A talkign timer
helps, and add time for winch problems if using retirevers.
Speed. EASY!!!! Only one at a time. Use 2-3 timers, 1 base B, and one
base A. You can have plenty of helpers. Go for it.
I can see 3 rounds easy! And to be honest it is not as hard as it sounds.
3 rounds is 9 flights per person...similar to TD!
Jason
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Iafret" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pat McCleave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jack Strother" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Unlimited Duration target times...sudo F3B change
> All the comments are on target but one has to stay on the "club contest"
> focus. A small club or at least a small club contest turnout (less than
12)
> makes F3B kind of out of the question. Our club has several levels of
pilots
> so maybe the right thing to do is have separate tasks for each level in
the
> same contest.
>
> Could really be challenging to beat the entry level guys flying 5 min when
> the "Masters" have to do 15.
>
> Wadayathink?
>
>
>
> Jack Iafret
> "Keeper of the Nostalgia Rules"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack Strother" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Pat McCleave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 4:44 PM
> Subject: [RCSE] Unlimited Duration target times...sudo F3B change
>
>
> > Pat,
> > I am inclined to agree with your entire post.
> > excuses, reasonings and all.
> > I have been working in South Carolina, and "IF" I get some free time on
> > Sundays, I find myself
> > driving to Atlanta to fly with Tim Foster and crowd... A great bunch of
> > guys BTW..
> > At any rate, a few of the members are trying to learn F3B, I go and
Play
> > with them and it is fun....
> > We are too stupid about it to be snobbish, and its loads of fun...
> > Manpower...heck we take turns and base A; base B; and timing as well as
> > flying..
> > Its fun...learning anything new, is as much fun as you make it..
> > It can be done, you just have to be able to withstand the slings and
> arrows
> > of those "NON Change Mongars";
> > Who want a change... something new....something different....
> > it already exists....
> > If you can't conquer what you have, why invent something that you can...
> > Hey ! ! that could make me famous..LOL
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 03:09 PM 12/2/2002 -0600, Pat McCleave wrote:
> > >Doug,
> > >
> > >I would come out and play. Of course around here, I do not see much
> > >chance of anyone else showing up. I have asked my club many times
about
> > >running an F3B constest and I always get the same response. It takes
too
>
> > >much man power, We don't have the right airplane, I have never done it
> > >before, Why bother all of the F3B guys are snobs anyway. Personally, I
> > >think they are just afraid of trying something new. As for the
manpower
> > >issue, if we all worked instead of just a few, manpower is not an
> > >issue. If we all do not have the right airplane then we would all be
in
> > >the same boat. I have never done it before, but would love to try it
at
> > >least once. Who knows I might like it. I have met several of the
current
> > >crop of F3B pilots at one time or another, I and I do not remember any
of
> > >them being any different than any other glider junkie. So I say bring
it
> > >on I bet it would loads of fun.
> > >
> > >See Ya,
> > >
> > >Pat McCleave
> > >Wichita, KS
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Douglas, Brent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>Subject: RE: [RCSE] Unlimited Duration target times
> > >>Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:11:35 -0500
> > >>
> > >>Mr. B's comments beg the question, who flies F3B around 'here'?
Beyond
> the
> > >>Nat's, do local clubs ever run this format?
> > >>If one day a club announced that their Sunday contest were F3B, straw
> poll
> > >>time, who would come? I've been looking over the rules, and I
honestly
> > >>think I'd show up, who else?
> > >>
> > >>Brent
> > >>
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