Hello guys:

During the early 80's I was involved with AMA altitude attempts. My son did set
a AMA 2-M record (about 1800 ft) which held up for about 10 years - and then
was only broken by a very small margin.  We used triangulation with high
quality serveying instuments.  ***The only way that I will believe has any
merit!***

If you fly DIRECTLY overhead then you will be about 2000 ft away, but most of us
do not (we will swear we are at 90 degrees maybe 75-80 degrees)  and therefore
the plane is considerable farther away.  The open class record was set using a
full scale Replogle Baragraph that was calibrated, before and after record
attempt, and STILL had an inherent error.  If you wish to see just how lousy
the $100 and $200 toys are, have it calibrated or go up in a full scale ship
and compare!   As far as I know these toy baragraphs do not compensate for temp
- which will introduce considerable more error ON THE high side!

I know my son had exceptional eyesight and the judges were using the telescopic
serveying equipment, so go figure.  I think the most telling fact is the "1/32
wire at 2 feet." If you want make that even more real, carve a little scale
sailplane from the tip of the wire and then take a test with witnesses and also
have a smoker near by for effect......

I have compared several modern toy altimeters against an educational pressure
sensor calibrated against a standard and adjusted for real time temp. It is
about half the size of a Replogle, but stills needs a Sailaire size fuse.
Thermal air is several degrees warmer (and less pressure) than surroundings -
which fools the toy altimeter into "thinking" it is much higher.

.....sort of like standing a bridge with a friend and comparing how cold the
water is to how deep it is...

Jim Ealy
Vintage Sailplaner



On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 14:56:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 10/3/2003 2:07:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I have heard verified stories of scale ships being flown higher and
> I can believe that, but I believe a 2m. would disappear at about 1500 to 
> 2000ft.
> unless the light conditions were perfect......
> I've had my Omega 1.8m (with altimeter) over 2000 feet a few times.  I think 
> my highest was around 2300 feet.  Granted at that altitude it's a speck and is

> on the verge of being lost.  The conditions greatly affect how high you can 
> go.  I've actually found that a low humidity deep blue sky is not very good
for 
> seeing gliders at high altitude.  The plane seems to just dissolve into the 
> sky.  The best for me, is to get under a nice cumulus and try to stay under it

> as you climb.  With the cloud as a backdrop, you can see the glider at very 
> high altitudes.  If you leave the cloud though, the model can easily
disappear.
> 
> Randy

Jim Ealy
Education by Demonstration
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