From: Dean Gradwell
xcsoaringcom [EMAIL PROTECTED]

For RC cross country soaring I use the Garmin Etrex Vista GPS in the
glider. 
It weighs 5 oz. and sells for around $300. This is the only Etrex model
that 
will work for what we do. It fits easily in the SBXC or scale ship but
would 
not work in a TD glider. The software that John mentions is called See
You
www.seeyou.ws  It was developed for full size sailplanes. We use a
Cambridge 
GPS/NAV system in our full scale gliders and after a flight we download
to a laptop to verify turnpoints and check various phases of the flight.
It has turned out to be just as much fun to do this on a RC cross
country flight. You can actually see your flight in 3d.
Our website www.xcsoaring.com has a flight that John Ellias flew at a 
Montague contest. If that flight was on your computer you could zoom in
and 
see each circle of the glider. You will be able to see your speed,
altitude, 
rate of climb or decent etc. Keep in mind this is done after the flight
and 
not real time.
I have both the RCATS and Eagle Tree telemetry to expeirment with. All I

wanted to check was airspeed. The Skymelody/Skypanel tells me everything

else. Unfortunately they both require you look at a screen which means 
taking your eye off the model. This will not work for me. I think the
next 
generation vario should as selected by a switch or slider give you
airspeed 
with a voice telling you your airspeed in numbers. The
Skymelody/Skypanel is 
a great vario with my favorite feature being rate of climb The way I
would 
program my Skypanel if it had airspeed would be this way. Center
position 
vario tone only, top  position rate of climb reporting every 20 seconds,

bottom position airspeed reporting every 20 seconds. I would thermal in
the 
center or top position and cruise between thermals in the bottom
position.
Both Skymelody and Picolario have promised us airspeed for years. It's
just 
a matter of time.
Regards Dean Gradwell
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Derstine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Lighthorse'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'RegDaveaolcom'" 
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Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 6:55 AM
Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Onboard GPS?


> What Ken says includes the Sky Melody plus the Sky Panel Data Logger
and
> separate altitude sensor. There are several additional ports on the
Sky
> Panel to hook up switch monitors. I have not tried this for lack of
time
> or need, but you could if your capable, make leads to tell if a given
> micro switch is in the on or off position. Retact doors, up and go
lock
> up or down come to mind.
>
> Dean Gradwell showed me a software program, I forget the name, That
> allowed use of a Garmin with a three D photo realistic playback on a
> laptop, of the flight including waypoints, altitude distance etc.
> Virtually the same tools are available to modelers as the full scale
> guys. The stuff is not that expensive to the serious XC or scale guy,
> and the potential for use in scale XC is very exciting. I can envision
> Scale Cross country teams sharing the cost of a ship and it's avionics
> to compete. In full scale the cost of avionics can be a considerable
> portion of a planes cost. It is no different in models.
> JD
>
> Endless Mountain Models
> http://www.scalesoaring.com
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lighthorse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 12:02 AM
>> To: RegDaveaolcom
>> Cc: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Onboard GPS?
>>
>> For the 3d put a geco gps in the plane and set it to track:
>> go here for more info
>>
>
http://jeklink.net/projects/GPS_Equipped_Radio_Controlled_Sailplane.html
>> when I launch my large scale I have the Skymelody Variometer and the
>> Garmon Geco in the cocpit.
>>
>>
>>
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