Just so you folks interested in building your own once in while know, here is a break down of what is happening at Wood Crafters next week for about 60 entrants.
Special Events Thur/Fri and number of entrants: Windfree ONLY = 8 MOM Hi Start 60" = 17 Ray's MOM Hi Start Mini Fun Scale = 9 2 Minute Ladder = 32 Longest Flight = 29 Saturday and Sunday Soar In Championship entrants: 2 Meter Unlimited = 29 100" RES = 38 Unlimited = 39 Separate Categories within the Soar In Championship: Best Challenger = 6 Best OLY ll = 11 Best Astro Jeff = 5 Scale, four day aero tow/winch event: Gordon's Rules = 11 Ray's Unlimited Fun Scale = 15 Does this look like fun to you ???????? Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Womack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Chuck Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ray Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] The NOS dead horse beating.......again > Dear Blabby, > > Since my name was mentioned, and not in vain, I guess > a comment here is appropriate. The fact is that the > list isn't the only source of eligibility. I, too, > have a nostalgia design from 1977 called the Magic > Carpet that is not eligible. It was designed for > Johnnie Casburn who thought he wanted some of the > glider kit market. He was in Ft. Worth and had a hobby > shop and a kit mfg. business, making sport power > models with a foam wing. It hung in his shop for > years, until he sold it to someone else. It was orange > and silver. I may try to scan some of the pics I have > of it. > > Unfortunately, and this isn't a personal dig at Jack > Iafret, the keeper of the rules wasn't around all that > much in the "days". As Ray said, some built stock > models, but most of us gave them their own personal > touches. For instance, I never fully sheeted wings, > but usually took the top sheeting back an extra inch, > a practice I still use with good results. In a contest > where things are checked, that would disqualify my > Windfree and my Grand Esprit. I will say that in fact > some have presented models that should be allowed to > the list, but they ain't there... draw your own > conclusions. > > The Miller mods for the Aquila, if they're allowed, > then why not the Womack mods for the Legionair. Why > not the Legionair 132, which by all accounts and all > opinions save one, should be there. After all, a 132 > has been flown at the NOS NATS, with the "keeper" as > the CD. > > Airfoil changes, planform changes, etc., I can > understand why these should not be allowed. I would > NOT have allowed the dihedral changes to accomodate > the spar mods. That's a planform change. It can change > the way the design performs and flys. Why was that > compromise made and the rest kept so strict? I gave up > on the Nostalgia class when informed that a carbon > fiber tail boom would not be allowed for a Legionair. > This mod would have much less effect on the design > than a dihedral change. > > The fact is that Nostalgia class models are a pain to > build, if you can find a kit. If not, you may have to > do the old "scratch builders boogie." I built some > Legionairs that way, pod and all. It was rewarding, to > say the least. Imagine my disappointment had one been > a 132, and I had driven from Texas to Muncie, only to > be told I couldn't fly. There it is. DISSAPOINTMENT. > That's why Nostalgia's growth is dead. Until someone > steps up to revive it with some realistic rules, dead > it will remain. It won't be me, as I have backed away > and jumped off into flying full-scale with both feet. > The rules are simpler... > > Will someone please kick this soap box over and knock > me off of it?!?! > > Dissappointed in Houston. > (Jack Womack) > > > --- Chuck Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I too am disappointed with the way Nostalgia at the > > Nats has developed. I > > understand the necessity of using the existing > > winches even though they are > > much too strong and have too heavy line since it is > > not practicable to have > > special winches for one class. I do object to > > restricting it to one day > > combined with RES while wasting two days on 2-meter, > > a class very few would > > be flying if it wasn't sandwiched between hand > > launch and unlimited. I > > also object to flying modern man on man tasks and > > landings instead of the > > tasks and landings as flown at the SOAR Nats. The > > old events are much more > > suited to the old models. I have entered Nostalgia > > every year since it was > > first proposed at the LSF tournament in 1994 and > > flown in all but > > four. The first two years were rained out and I > > didn't stay for the last > > two because of the weather forecast. (My wife was > > with me and getting > > tired.) I will not be entering Nostalgia this > > year. It is not worth > > spending another night and paying the high entry > > fees for three > > flights. Another day will cost at least $100 or $33 > > per flight. Maybe I > > will go back to flying my Sailaire in Unlimited. > > After all, my best place > > at the Nats in the last 20 years was with the > > Sailaire in 1996. That year > > I placed 17th and beat a lot of high tech > > sailplanes. Almost as good as a > > win. :-) > > > > Chuck Anderson > > > > At 06:07 AM 5/21/2005, you wrote: > > >It is very early am, I can't go to the OVSS in > > Cinci, so I'll take my > > >frustration out by beating the dead Nostalgia > > horse. My apologies to > > >everyone. > > > > > >Having an AMA Nostalgia class is good, accept it or > > not, most entry level > > >into RC Soaring ( non electric) is with a woody, > > ARF or home built. I don't > > >classify an AVA, etc. as a woody ( beat on that one > > for a while) because it > > >has a molded wing section. > > > > > >The current NOS rules need to be amended through > > the AMA process of rules > > >changing ( won't this bring out the know it alls), > > but NOS will be in > > >trouble because there will be some really goofy > > rules changes proposed, > > >mostly by people that have no experience of > > building and flying back in the > > >days of nostalgia and likely no experience flying > > in a current NOS contest. > > > > > >I truly hope the AMA Nos Nats will grow, so far it > > hasn't and for several > > >obvious reasons. One of the reasons is the rules > > are not right and do not > > >reflect what really was going on in the good old > > days when the SOAR NATS > > >attracted so many more contestants then what we see > > at the NATS currently. > > >A good example is, it was fairly common practice to > > fully sheet or partially > > >sheet the wings of a Windfree, Astro Jeff, and > > etc.. The irony of the rules > > >administration at the NOS NATS is the planes are > > not checked for compliance, > > >a process that would be impossible to undertake. > > Another problem at the NOS > > >NATS is the tow lines (and winches) do not comply > > with the tow lines used > > >during the days the so called NOS rules are trying > > to duplicate. 280 to 300 > > >lb test tow lines used at the NOS NATS are not > > compatible with small NOS > > >designs, so it didn't take long to realize the NOS > > planes to fly at the NATS > > >( if you were competing to win) were the larger > > designs and for the lack of > > >size classes in the NOS NATS ( another mistake) it > > makes flying the larger > > >designs almost mandatory. These conditions are not > > the best for attracting > > >larger numbers of entrants. > > > > > >My Wood Crafters event was created to attract > > people who enjoy building and > > >flying a woody, I think the AMA NOS event is > > developing a reputation for > > >turning people off to NOS. I personally enjoy > > flying the AMA NOS event, > > >but I have given up on flying my 23 oz Windfree > > there. > > > > > >Participate in the Rules changing process and hope > > for the best. > > > > > >Ray Hayes > > >http://www.skybench.com > > >Home of Wood Crafters > > > > > > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane > > News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests > > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that > > subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in > > text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent > > from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are > > generally NOT in text format > > > > > > > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. 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