On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 12:43:01PM -0600, Steve Schneider wrote:

|      Speaking of jamming them and Ham bands, how many of the users of
|      the Pic's are using them illegally.  The one that I have requires a
|      ham licence to use.  I know the newer ones use the FRC channels,
|      but I can't leagelly use mine

That may not be true.

As long as the power and duty cycle are low enough, you can transmit
on almost any frequency, including the ham bands, without a license.
(There are some frequencies where the power limits are even lower
(perhaps even zero, but that seems unworkable) such as on 121.5 MHz,
but these are generally the exception.)

I don't remember the exact limits, and I don't know what device you
have so I don't know how much power it emits or what the duty cycle
is.  Your garage door opener and car alarm transmitters probably work
under the regulations that I'm talking about too.

I've got a low-end vario, that has a TX unit and a RX that has a LCD
readout, and it uses the 70 cm ham band, but the power is low and it
only transmits for a few miliseconds each second, so it may very well
be legal to use without a license.  (Alas, it's crap -- a VAM 200 RX
and VAM 100 TX.  The TX interferes with the RX in the plane (causing a
glitch every second in every non-PCM/DSP RX I've tried, both 50 MHz
and 72 MHz) and the RX range drops to about 50 feet if attached to
your controller -- it desenses it too much.  Sometime I'll have to
open up the TX unit and see if I can improve it a bit ...)

Also, if you go under the ham rules, you have to do things like
identify your station every 10 minutes.  I've never seen a vario that
included provisions for doing this.  For a video setup, you can just
take a picture of your call sign, but that's not going to work on a
vario.

The ham band R/C rules explicitly do not require that you identify
your station (and they're the ONLY exception to this that I'm aware
of) but they do say this --

   The station identification procedure is not required for transmissions
   directed only to the model craft, provided that a label indicating the
   station call sign and the station licensee's name and address is
   affixed to the station transmitter.

which I would think would *not* apply to telemetry back from the model
craft itself.  The FCC ham band regulations do explicitly cover
telemetry too, but (97.217) but the station identification
requirements are not waived there.

(http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/ gives the
ham band FCC regulations.)

Ultimately, unless I've missed something, unless these ham band varios
do fit under the `low power -- no license needed' rules, I'm guessing
they're pretty much illegal to use, ham license or not, unless you've
added something to transmit your call sign periodically.  Not that the
FCC is likely to care, but that's another matter entirely.

I guess one would have to find out exactly how much power a specific
unit transmits with, and what the duty cycle is (for mine, it seems to
be around 5%, though I haven't tried to measure it beyond listening
with a receiver) and then look up the limits in the regulations (and
not the ham band regulations.)

|      therefore I can't use it at the NATS or any other major
|      contest.

Get your technician ham license.  It's easy.

Or send the equipment to me :)

Speaking of FCC regulations, the FCC says this of the 72/75 MHZ bands --

   Radio Control (R/C) is a one-way, short distance, non-voice radio
   service for on/off operation of devices at places distant from the
   operator. The FCC authorizes your R/C unit to transmit any non-voice
   emission type for the purpose of (1) the operator turning on and/or
   off a device at a remote location, or (2) an indicating device for the
   operator being turned on and/or off by a sensor at a remote
   location. You cannot communicate voice or data in the R/C.

(http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=service_home&id=radio_control)

Somehow I doubt we're only using it for `on/off operation' of our
planes.  (Though I'm quite certain that this isn't how it's
interpeted.)

-- 
Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED], AD5RH
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