Sebastian Dziallas wrote:
Some of you may have overheard activity in #sugar-meeting today discussing the upcoming beta freeze for SoaS, and the engineering capacity we have to work on things for the upcoming release (in May, since as a Fedora Spin we are tied to the Fedora release schedule).The short version is that we'd like to try something pretty drastic - prior SoaS versions have included large numbers of Activities, which weren't always maintained and didn't always work, so we propose shipping a slimmed down version of SoaS with a small number of known-to-work Activities with active upstream maintainers (that we'll have the bandwidth to thoroughly test between now and May's release, and the bandwidth to relay deployment feedback back up to) and creating resources on how to find other excellent material at http://activities.sugarlabs.org.Here's a draft kickstart file of what a slimmed-down SoaS release might look like. It includes a few core Activities that will help you get, debug, and ask questions about more Activities (Browse, Log, and IRC), as well as a few well-tested Activities with active upstreams that we think tend to "demo well" for a variety of audiences and contexts (young/adult audience, large/small audience, dev/user/teacher audience, hands-on-lab/demo-on-projector audience, etc).http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/mainline/blobs/master/fedora-livecd-soas.ksAnd here's the image it produces - we haven't had time to download and test it yet, but are working on that right now, so you may beat us to finding out whether it works or not. ;-)http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/3/soas-3-20100319.iso
03/20/2010 Sebastian:I decided to make a 2 GB USB to test the current state of the soas nightly compose .iso
This was to augment our discussions of mirabelle v2.5 on fedora 13 ==Test of nightly compose soas-i386-20100319.17.iso==Created in usb HD install of f12 with all updates using liveusb-creator 2GB USB Sandisk Micro (cheap at local discount store)
Control Panel: Fedora release 13 (Rawide) Control Panel Update done: read 78-86 flipsticks 2-4 get IA Books 3-5 TA 83-84 NOTE: I could not test sharing as jabber.sugarlabs.org was down. sugar terminal : su -rm _R of /usr/share/sugar/activities/IRC.activity ( all files and directory)
* I knew from previous work this had to be done to make IRC work. in Browse: activities Download IRC 5.xo Test of activities Activity Version Work/no work remarks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- record 64 + pictures work on EeePC900 terminal 31 + *speak 14 - hangs with pulse (no stop popup) Visual match 21 + Browse 114 + Etoys 113 + Calculate 30 + *Typing Turtle 29 - Finance 3 + Log 23 + Memorize 33 + implode 9 + Connect 22 + Image Viewer 14 + opened picture I took with record Chat 66 +*write 68 - writes in top panel turns panel white
Maze 6 - pop up failed to start Infoslicer 6 + Jukebox 18 + Moon 10 + PlayGo 5 +Clock 5 + Talks Physics 4 +
Pippy 34 + Analyze 8 + *TamTamMini 51 - popup wont start *TamTamEdit 51 - *TamTamSynthLab 52 - *TamTamJam 52 - Turtle Art 84 + Get Ia Books 5 + FlipSticks 4 +Read 86 - opened but failed to open the picture I took with record in journal
I hope this advances our discussions Tom Gilliard satellit sorry for collumn alignment : )FYI: I have attached a screen shot of Partition Manager looking at this USB to show how full it is, and it's structure
In comparison, here's the old kickstart file with a large number of Activities, and the image it produced - if you try it out, you'll find that many of the Activities don't work, the quality of experience is inconsistent, and... well, we hope you'll see why we'd like to narrow the scope of this release's features to the amount of work we can comfortably maintain.http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/spin-kickstarts?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=blob;f=fedora-livecd-soas.ks http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/soas/soas-i386-20100318.17.iso The rationale behind this is as follows:1. Our ultimate goal is to produce a rock-solid deployment image with a wide variety of many Activities with active upstream maintainers, plus resources to engage users with those upstream communities and with communities of other learners. This was clarified in the earlier Sugar on a Stick Mission Statement: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-September/008322.html2. Since we don't currently have the resources to do this, we think a good intermediate step is to produce a rock-solid deployment image with a SMALL variety of many Activities with active upstream maintainers, plus resources to engage users with those upstream communities and with communities of other learners. This sets the bar for both the quality of the Activity and maintenance, and the level of interaction that Activity upstreams can expect from users.3. Saving a good number of known-to-be-awesome Activities for http://activities.sugarlabs.org and creating (kid-tested and teacher-tested) resources on how to get stuff from ASLO sets a dynamic of experimentation, trying-stuff-out, and user community engagement that we want to see.We don't know if this is a good idea or not. We think so, and we don't have much time to decide as Beta Freeze is this upcoming Tuesday, March 23. Feedback? Questions? Comments? Firestorm?We'll be tinkering further on this over the weekend - we can do another kickstart on Saturday, Sunday, and Monday, so we have 3 drafts left to figure this out with. Please join us (sdziallas & mchua on #sugar) and ask questions if you have any, or join in and help if you have ideas on how to improve this.Thanks! --Mel and SebastianPS: We're going to ask more specific questions on the marketing and activities lists about this in a moment, for those of you following those sections of SL as well - and send a general iaep notification that these conversation threads are going on. One second..._______________________________________________ SoaS mailing list [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/soas
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