Thanks, Jackob.
  
But for the record, are you saying that strong academic interest
can somehow make a thing valid?  Look back 10-15 years through any
peer-reviewed journal
and one finds lotsa useless/misguided research.

That said, the potential value of a mesh network doesn't escape me and your
comments on the current academic interest should definitely give one pause.
I really appreciate them. I hope you didn't find mine too careless.

E. Caleb Black
Former Graduate Presidential Fellow in Electrical Engineering
Georgia Tech '97   

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Jakob Eriksson
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [SOCALWUG] p2p without a network


Eric,

I think the point here is that GreenPacket sells a _multi-hop_ solution  
for ad hoc networking. The ad hoc mode that is specified by the IEEE  
802.11 standard is merely mac-level, which means that whoever you want  
to talk to has to be within your radio range. That said, multihop ad  
hoc routing is clearly not unique in any sense of the word. Ad hoc  
routing has been studied extensively in academia and is one of the  
hottest research topics in networking at the moment.

http://www.packethop.com
http://www.meshnetworks.com

are other examples of companies that try to make a living out of ad hoc  
and mesh networking. I think GreenPacket's approach is refreshing, in  
that they focus on end-users rather than large organizations. In my  
mind, that's a very attractive future direction for networking in  
general.

Jakob Eriksson
Computer Science Ph.D. Student @ University of California, Riverside
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Dynamic Address RouTing - for Scalable Ad Hoc and Mesh Networks For papers
and more, go to http://dart.cs.ucr.edu

On Thursday, November 13, 2003, at 07:22 AM, ericblack wrote:

> Aaron-san:
>
> If this is a "unique wireless networking solution," then I have a
> couple of
> towers in Kuala Lumpur that I can sell you.
> Interested?  It's such a TRUE deal.
>
> Seriously, I've only setup a wireless mesh/ad-hoc a couple times, but
> they
> have been no big deal.  All one has to do is set the ethernet settings  
> of
> the various computer-wireless-cards' to each have the same network  
> address,
> but a different host address.  If you know how to set-up an ethernet  
> network
> without using a DHCP, then you can set-up a wireless mesh/ad-hoc  
> network
> with your existing 802.11b/g(a) hardware.
>
> The wording "true ad-hoc network" makes it sound like these guys
> possess
> somekind of ultimate networking truth.  Freaky.
> You never know. Maybe the GREEN Packet software is on the up-and-up  
> and its
> company is, alas, burdoned with some have-crazed, overzealous  
> marketeers
> leftover from the world's dot-com mass hysteria.  Anyway, the wording  
> of
> this press release and the fact that the mesh/ad-hoc network structure  
> is
> already built into the 802.11b/g(a) hardware makes me very suspicious  
> of
> what SONbuddy's value-added, if any, might be.
>
> eB

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