Great topic Steve. Jabber, Inc. is seeing some very interesting use cases emerge in the beyond IM arena. Although we can not yet publish specific company details, following are some examples of services being built upon the XMPP framework - some utilizing pub/sub, while others are utilizing P2P data exchange:
Digital home: presence enabled end-points for user controlled actions - i.e. content distribution from PC to digital frame, turn lights on/off, alerts / notifications based on behavior - grandpa has been in his chair too long, is something wrong, etc. 1:1 Advertising: preference based routing of content based on opt in rules to various end user devices based on availability, geolocation, interest, etc. Grid computing: utilization of presence and message routing Device maintenance: XMPP client installed on device end-point for software upgrades, network location, activity, health, etc. Online Gaming: Action packets utilizing P2P framework to minimize performance and bandwidth constraints - allows extension of PC action games to lower band networks / devices Service Aggregation: Utilization of presence and identity to aggregate information regarding a user across multiple service offerings in to a single portal view - facilitation of multi-media communication based on device capabilities - IM, SMS, Voice, Video, Challenge to Game, etc. Multi-Media Polling: ability to provide voting / polls across devices and media - TV, Mobile, PC, Web, etc. There are a host of others we are seeing emerge with customers and prospects. http://www.jabber.com/media/Jabber_Inc_Beyond_IM_White_Paper.pdf Happy to discuss live if interested - I believe we are both in Denver? Shawn Carrigan Social Network / Service Provider Solutions Jabber, Inc. 303-308-3723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: social Digest, Vol 4, Issue 13 Send social mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/social or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of social digest..." Today's Topics: 1. real-world non-chat XMPP? (Steve Ivy) 2. Re: real-world non-chat XMPP? (Bob Wyman) 3. Re: real-world non-chat XMPP? (anders conbere) 4. Re: real-world non-chat XMPP? (Steven Livingstone-Perez) 5. Re: real-world non-chat XMPP? (bear) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:01:26 -0700 From: "Steve Ivy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Social] real-world non-chat XMPP? To: "XMPP/Social Networking" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 There's been a long discussion recently (some of which happened on this list) about open messaging between websites and between users on those websites, based somewhat on the current social network friends messaging model. I think there's a general consensus that XMPP can and should play an important role in this idea of an open, distributed, near-real-time network of websites, but I also think that there is disagreement on what the transition from xmpp's real-time network to the web's non-real-time, non-persistent network looks like. In the interest in understanding different ways that XMPP can be used/built on, I'm wondering if anyone has some examples of a real-world XMPP deployment for non-IM purposes? Perhaps something based on PubSub? Thanks, --Steve -- Steve Ivy http://redmonk.net // http://diso-project.org This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:13:03 -0400 From: "Bob Wyman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Social] real-world non-chat XMPP? To: "XMPP and Social Networking, Two Great Tastes That Taste Great Together!" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Steve Ivy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > a real-world XMPP deployment for non-IM purposes? > Perhaps something based on PubSub? Well, about four years ago PubSub.com built a service that used XMPP + XEP0060 PubSub to provide real-time tracking of content in Blogs, Press Releases, SEC Edgar Filings, Earthquake reports, Airport Status, etc. The service is now defunct -- but not for technical reasons. Bad management killed the company. XMPP worked very well in this application. bob wyman On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Steve Ivy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's been a long discussion recently (some of which happened on > this list) about open messaging between websites and between users on > those websites, based somewhat on the current social network friends > messaging model. I think there's a general consensus that XMPP can and > should play an important role in this idea of an open, distributed, > near-real-time network of websites, but I also think that there is > disagreement on what the transition from xmpp's real-time network to > the web's non-real-time, non-persistent network looks like. > > In the interest in understanding different ways that XMPP can be > used/built on, I'm wondering if anyone has some examples of a > real-world XMPP deployment for non-IM purposes? Perhaps something > based on PubSub? > > Thanks, > > --Steve > > -- > Steve Ivy > http://redmonk.net // http://diso-project.org > This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/social/attachments/20080625/a705fe33/at tachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:17:47 -0700 From: "anders conbere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Social] real-world non-chat XMPP? To: "XMPP and Social Networking, Two Great Tastes That Taste Great Together!" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Steve Ivy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's been a long discussion recently (some of which happened on > this list) about open messaging between websites and between users on > those websites, based somewhat on the current social network friends > messaging model. I think there's a general consensus that XMPP can and > should play an important role in this idea of an open, distributed, > near-real-time network of websites, but I also think that there is > disagreement on what the transition from xmpp's real-time network to > the web's non-real-time, non-persistent network looks like. > > In the interest in understanding different ways that XMPP can be > used/built on, I'm wondering if anyone has some examples of a > real-world XMPP deployment for non-IM purposes? Perhaps something > based on PubSub? Some off the top of my head (I'm sure there are more). * Vertebra uses xmpp to distribute commands to machines in the Engine Yard network. * I'm working with a team to use BOSH to distribute website data back up to their pages via XMPP using JSJac * I built a prototype social network that uses the xmpp roster to store your relationship data. http://code.google.com/p/xmpp-psn/ * There's the famous twitter -> jaiku integration that happened at social graph camp. * Chatterous is using XMPP's PubSub to build a message bus between various different protocols. * Chesspark uses xmpp to run and send commands for Chess games. * Nick Vidal has an interesting app call ISS http://iss.im/ that uses xmpp to do personal publishing. ~ Anders > > Thanks, > > --Steve > > -- > Steve Ivy > http://redmonk.net // http://diso-project.org > This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:08:27 +0100 From: "Steven Livingstone-Perez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Social] real-world non-chat XMPP? To: "'XMPP and Social Networking, Two Great Tastes That Taste Great Together!'" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Finding stuff that has fully adopted PubSub or PEP is harder but ... The BBC publish their current music tracks: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2008/02/now_playing_in_the_cloud.sh tml An example implementation: http://radiofall.mibly.com/ Tivo uses XMPP: http://stpeter.im/?p=2131 In a slightly different direction ... Android uses it too for p2p messages. http://code.google.com/android/toolbox/google-apis.html Low Cost calls over XMPP with Flex http://blogs.nitobi.com/andre/index.php/2008/03/13/verb-exchange-and-nit obi-to-build-xmpp-client-with-flex-and-air/ Also the Vertebra ruby slides mentioned by Anders are here: http://brainspl.at/articles/2008/06/02/introducing-vertebra cheers, Steven http://livz.org -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Ivy Sent: 25 June 2008 16:01 To: XMPP/Social Networking Subject: [Social] real-world non-chat XMPP? There's been a long discussion recently (some of which happened on this list) about open messaging between websites and between users on those websites, based somewhat on the current social network friends messaging model. I think there's a general consensus that XMPP can and should play an important role in this idea of an open, distributed, near-real-time network of websites, but I also think that there is disagreement on what the transition from xmpp's real-time network to the web's non-real-time, non-persistent network looks like. In the interest in understanding different ways that XMPP can be used/built on, I'm wondering if anyone has some examples of a real-world XMPP deployment for non-IM purposes? Perhaps something based on PubSub? Thanks, --Steve -- Steve Ivy http://redmonk.net // http://diso-project.org This email is: [ ] bloggable [x] ask first [ ] private ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:12:23 -0400 From: bear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Social] real-world non-chat XMPP? To: "XMPP and Social Networking, Two Great Tastes That Taste Great Together!" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 At Seesmic we are working to use XMPP for both chat between users of our system and to use PubSub for all events relating to users and/or videos with payloads as json, atom or xml. We will have this available to any of our clients (or any 3rd party user of our API) Internally all video events are sent using json payloads between the various services and bots. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Steve Ivy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the interest in understanding different ways that XMPP can be > used/built on, I'm wondering if anyone has some examples of a > real-world XMPP deployment for non-IM purposes? Perhaps something > based on PubSub? > -- --- Bear [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jabber & email) http://code-bear.com/bearlog (weblog) PGP Fingerprint = 9996 719F 973D B11B E111 D770 9331 E822 40B3 CD29 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ social mailing list [email protected] http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/social End of social Digest, Vol 4, Issue 13 *************************************
