At 02:46 PM 18/02/03 +1000, Victor Bridger wrote:

>Dr. Bruce R. McFarling says further:
>"Keynes argues that  the income generated by effective demand is equal to
>that effective demand, but that only a portion of  income finances effective
>demand, so that the shortfall  that must be made up comes from the gap
>between income  and effective demand"

>V.B. I find this putting the cart before the horse. Effective demand can
>only be exercised if there is sufficient income. It is the income that comes
>first, not the effective demand. The shortfall that must be made up is not
>between income and effective demand, but between income and the prices that
>have to be met. If income equals price then there is effective demand.

Well, no, in a monetary-production economy there is no difficulty in 
generating effective demand that does not arise from income.  And 
it is an obvious observation that the effective demand that does arise 
from income is not equal to that income, and without effective demand 
financed by other means, there would be a shortfall.  Only an extended 
period of training in mainstream economics could blind someone to 
that basis fact.

The conflict between the Social Credit reasoning and the General 
Theory reasoning, as nearly as I can tell, regards explaining that 
shortfall. Since they do not disagree on the existence of that 
shortfall in the real monetary-production economy, I came up with 
an artificial scenario where it appeared that they would disagree, 
to probe the difference.

>Dr. Bruce R. McFarling wrote:

>"That is, Douglas argues that there is necessarily a  shortfall 
>of income to provide the effective demand to maintain that income"

>VB. It would be more correct to say that there is necessarily a 
>shortfall in purchasing power that has been distributed as income 
>in the form of wages, salaries and dividends, to meet the PRICES 
>that have been generated in the same period as the income 
>distributed.

If not all the income is distributed, then that is net savings, 
and of course if there is net savings there is a need to finance 
the shortfall in order to maintain the same level of income. 
But if all wages, salaries and profits were distributed, they 
would be adequate to meet the prices that have been generated 
in the same period.

And discrepency in terms of timing ... "A is selling product 
today, the last day of the period, and there is not enough 
time to distribute the profit that will result, so where does 
the effective demand come from that will pay the price" ... 

Well, suppose that it is available somehow.  On the argument, 
that profit will be distributed in the next period.  Well 
then, there we have it ... it came from the equivalent profit 
that was generated in the previous period and distributed in 
this.  An short term finance, including a stock of purchasing 
power that is drawn on and then refunded, solves the problem 
for a static economy.  It is only in the case of growth that 
longer term finance, government spending, or export income 
is required to provide the new increment in effective demand 
that will then generate an equal amount of income.

>This may sound like a play on words but it is important that the 
>correct meaning is applied. Contrary to the suggestion that "as 
>I am reading Douglas, under his argument  such a dynamic stasis 
>will wind down of its own accord,  incomes progressively being 
>too small to refund costs of production, requiring production to 
>be shut down and  prices to drop, cutting income, and so on down 
>in a  death spiral",  Douglas' solutions would offer  precisely 
>the opposite. 

In the quote, I am strictly referring to Douglas' critique of 
the system, not the reform that Douglas proposes to resolve 
the problem he argues exists with the system.

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